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Old 11-08-2002, 06:56 PM   #1
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Pentagon Seeks Source of Photos
Fri Nov 8, 1:49 PM ET
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) Friday was investigating to find out who took and released photographs of terror suspects as they were being transported in heavy restraints aboard a U.S. military plane.

Four photographs of prisoners handcuffed, heads covered with black hoods and bound with straps on the floor of a plane appeared overnight on the web site of radio talk show host Art Bell.
"Anonymous mailer sends us photos taken inside a military C-130 transporting POWS," the headline said.

The photos are the first giving a glimpse into security measures aboard any of the airplanes used over the past year as prisoners were transferred to prisons in and around Afghanistan (news - web sites) and elsewhere around the world, including to the high-security prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

It has long been known that prisoners were heavily restrained, and photos of prisoners bound and kneeling after arrival in Cuba early this year created a stir among human and prison rights groups.
The plane in the latest photos was a C-130, said Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Dave Lapan. But it wasn't yet determined Friday where it was going or when the photos were taken. Officials believe it was not an authorized photo and know it's release was unauthorized, he said.

The Air Force and U.S. Central Command were investigating the breach, said Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke.
"We have very very tight restrictions on any images of the detainees for security purposes and because we have no interest in potentially holding detainees up for any kind of public ridicule," she told a Pentagon press conference.
It is at least the third time prisoner photos have troubled the Pentagon.
Though the Defense Department has limited the news media in the kind of photos it can take of prisoners from the counter-terror war, officials discovered that troops posed for photos with American Taliban captive, John Walker Lindh, as he was handcuffed and wearing a blindfold carrying an obscenity they had apparently scrawled across it.

The military itself takes photos for documentation and individual soldiers often take their own photos as souvenirs of deployments.
In a court motion, Lindh's lawyers also said earlier this year that unofficial photos and videos of Lindh were taken aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Peleliu, where he was confined. Officials said an officer confiscated cameras and film and erased digital images.
Also as part of a court filing, Lindh's lawyers released a picture of him in Afghanistan, blindfolded, strapped to a stretcher and naked. Defense officials have said that while that photo may have appeared shocking, he was naked as part of his preparation for medical treatment.
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I wonder what free movie they got to watch and if their popcorn was acceptable...

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Old 11-08-2002, 09:37 PM   #3
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I am sorry........


But if they are going to strap them in.......


Why not do it on the wing? Their seats are too comfortable.





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Should we start transporting prisoners on Delta, first class?
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What exactly is causing the stir among human and prison rights groups? Doesn't look like there was too many options with regards to restraining them on a plane like that. If these people are comfortable being terrorists, they can be comfortable terrorists tied up on the floor.
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Lets not forget what happen to Pakistani soldiers on a bus when the terrorist they were transporting were not properly restrained as the terrorist in the above photo's are. Lets not forget that these people, given the opportunity, would kill themselves in actions to kill others.
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Well isn't it nice to see the United States upholding its commitment to human rights.
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Aren't we supposed to be above this?
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Im sure they will be just fine.

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Should we start transporting prisoners on Delta, first class?

no, i do not think they would be able to board due to delta's stringent "security checks"...
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It doesn't look too comfy does it? I believe that this is the best that can be done under the circumstances.
Remember, it was former associates of these guys who took out the WTC, Blew up the USS Cole, bombed the african embasies, attacked the french oil tanker, killed hundreds in Bali, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hats off to the military personell who have to deal with these scum bags.
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It doesn't look too comfy does it? I believe that this is the best that can be done under the circumstances.
Remember, it was former associates of these guys who took out the WTC, Blew up the USS Cole, bombed the african embasies, attacked the french oil tanker, killed hundreds in Bali, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hats off to the military personell who have to deal with these scum bags.
I was thinking the same thing. Before anyone starts feeling sorry for these guys, lets remember why they're being detained in the first place. They'll get over it.
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This is in a way a demonstration of our commitment to human rights, the right not to be murdered, and justice for those involved in and committing terrorism. One only wishes that the Pakistani soldiers, murdered while transporting Al Quada prisoners, had put their Al Quada prisoners in similar restraints.
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What exactly is causing the stir among human and prison rights groups? Doesn't look like there was too many options with regards to restraining them on a plane like that. If these people are comfortable being terrorists, they can be comfortable terrorists tied up on the floor.

Rights groups are probably concerned that there is no monitoring of the treatment these detainees are receiving. Are these people terrorists? Or just lowly foot soldiers supporting their homeland?

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Lets not forget what happen to Pakistani soldiers on a bus when the terrorist they were transporting were not properly restrained as the terrorist in the above photo's are. Lets not forget that these people, given the opportunity, would kill themselves in actions to kill others.
The actions on the Pakistani bus and the prison uprising are the reasons for the extreme measures.Many believe the treatment is inhumane.


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Well isn't it nice to see the United States upholding its commitment to human rights.
The US is the one super power and standard bearer of due process and equal rights. Current US behavior is undermining decades of perceived proper policies.


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Aren't we supposed to be above this?
Many believe so, and are very concerned about US credibility in future international relations.




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It doesn't look too comfy does it? I believe that this is the best that can be done under the circumstances.
Remember, it was former associates of these guys who took out the WTC, Blew up the USS Cole, bombed the african embasies, attacked the french oil tanker, killed hundreds in Bali, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hats off to the military personell who have to deal with these scum bags.
I along with most people am outraged at the above mentioned terrorist acts. I want justice and those responsible prosecuted. It is easy to focus our animosity on the ones we can get our hands on and attribute all evil deeds to them. It is very likely that the majority the detainees had no involvement in the acts. Bin Laden and his lieutenants have for the most part eluded capture. They are in hiding and afraid to come up for air. The war on terror has been a huge success. They have lost most of their funds, sources of funding, bases, ability to communicate, etc. Their network is dismantled, we should keep them from regrouping and rebuilding.

The American people want to have persons to focus their outrage on. It is comforting to know that we have 600-900 detainees at GITMO in Cuba. Recently under much pressure from Kuwait several Kuwaiti prisoners were released. They were in Pakistan digging wells and starting schools, etc. Some were elderly, one was missing a leg or something. I believe it is possible the majority of the detainees should be released. Are we are holding them for American public opinion reasons?

At Nuremberg high-ranking officers were held accountable and punished. Foot soldiers were not tried or detained any longer than necessary.

Some may have difficulty having any compassion or sympathy for these Muslims with the images of the trade towers collapsing still in our minds.
The truth may be that all of the afore mentioned attacks probably occurred without knowledge or participation from of our detainees.
If we have anyone in custody that was involved, then give them due process and punishment.







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I was thinking the same thing. Before anyone starts feeling sorry for these guys, lets remember why they're being detained in the first place. They'll get over it.
The question is, do we know why they are being detained?
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I'd like to hear people discuss the thousands of lives that have been saved by the dentention of Al Quada personal. Lets not forget the rights of millions of innocent people not to be murdered. The military and intelligence services have a very important job, protecting the lives of US and other countries citizens in addition to their very own families and themselves. They have no interest in detaining people that they know have nothing to do with terrorism. The fact is, we could detain 100,000 people or 200,000 people, but the military and security services are only going after people they have evidence or think could be linked to Al Quada. It has been a very well planned operation and very successful in its goals.

I would consider it a violation of the human rights of the soldiers that have to transport these prisoners, who given the opportunity would kill anyone near them, not to have them restrained in such a way. The fact is, the restraints protect the lives of the soldiers as well as the Al Quada prisoner that are being transported. To do anything less would be immoral, and how many of you would want your friend or family member to be transporting such dangerous people without these safeguards?
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