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Old 06-25-2007, 07:57 AM   #1
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There are four branches of government, Legislative, Executive, Judicial, and Cheney

I'm sure y'all have been keeping up with Cheney's antics lately, and they've gone to a whole other level.

The Washington Post has a great series on him...it's a glimpse into his very secret world and it's frightening.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/?hpid=topnews
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Yes I've read a bit about that, it is scary-but I'm not surprised and that's a sad statement to make. Somebody needs to stop that guy.
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Plus he can stomp on his own daughter's rights, shoot a man and get away with it, and guarantee terrorist attacks if people don't vote for him.

I'm so proud.
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astonishing.
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I want to see some of those man-sized safes he keeps in his office
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It seems like he's running his own government within the Federal government.
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This series is ridiculously long, appears to be extraordinarily well researched, and is very very frightening.

BTW - If he is both Leg and Exec, but not one or the other, he shouldn't be exempt from both sets of rules. He should have to follow both! This seems quite obvious to me.
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this also blows out of the water any notions that torture -- sorry, "coercive investigation techniques" -- and the horrors of Abu Ghraib were anything other than official goverment policy. Abu Ghraib was not a few random soldiers having a bit too much fun one evening.

Rumsfeld should have resigned, and offered to. Bush wouldn't let him, probably because Cheney wouldn't let him.



[q]Shortly after the first accused terrorists reached the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on Jan. 11, 2002, a delegation from CIA headquarters arrived in the Situation Room. The agency presented a delicate problem to White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, a man with next to no experience on the subject. Vice President Cheney's lawyer, who had a great deal of experience, sat nearby.

The meeting marked "the first time that the issue of interrogations comes up" among top-ranking White House officials, recalled John C. Yoo, who represented the Justice Department. "The CIA guys said, 'We're going to have some real difficulties getting actionable intelligence from detainees'" if interrogators confined themselves to treatment allowed by the Geneva Conventions.

From that moment, well before previous accounts have suggested, Cheney turned his attention to the practical business of crushing a captive's will to resist. The vice president's office played a central role in shattering limits on coercion of prisoners in U.S. custody, commissioning and defending legal opinions that the Bush administration has since portrayed as the initiatives, months later, of lower-ranking officials.

The vice president's office pushed a policy of robust interrogation that made its way to the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, above, and Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Cheney and his allies, according to more than two dozen current and former officials, pioneered a novel distinction between forbidden "torture" and permitted use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading" methods of questioning. They did not originate every idea to rewrite or reinterpret the law, but fresh accounts from participants show that they translated muscular theories, from Yoo and others, into the operational language of government.

A backlash beginning in 2004, after reports of abuse leaked out of Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay, brought what appeared to be sharp reversals in courts and Congress -- for Cheney's claims of executive supremacy and for his unyielding defense of what he called "robust interrogation."

But a more careful look at the results suggests that Cheney won far more than he lost. Many of the harsh measures he championed, and some of the broadest principles undergirding them, have survived intact but out of public view.[/q]
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When this era is over and we look back on it...we'll be amazed at how we survived.
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