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Old 06-05-2005, 10:09 PM   #46
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Perhaps the lesser evil, Bush certainly does not advocate limited government.
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Old 06-05-2005, 10:14 PM   #47
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The problem with the vast majority of Republicans happily voting for Bush and his ilk is that do meddle very much in the affairs of ordinary people. I can't see how anyone could vote for these jerks and have the gall to claim they believe in small government. Unless they are stupid.
I think you hit on it.
It's not about being Christian or even Republican.
It's about intrusive government.
And it purports to be small, only it comparison to the socialist inclinations on the opposite side of the extremist scale.

And who are the ones championing this?
Be they Texas Republicans, or likes the ones I have to deal with, Oklahoma Republicans. They basically want the same thing no matter where they are from.

They want their morals applicable to everybody.
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Perhaps the lesser evil, Bush certainly does not advocate limited government.
No in fact, the Republicans in general are moving to more intrusive, bigger government.

But it's a big selling point here in America to talk about tax cuts and cutting social spending and passing it off as "conservative small government". While the one hand does this, the other hand is looking to govern your liberties to match theirs.

It's the #1 reason I am no longer a Republican and haven't been in probably 7 or 8 years.

I am not sure if I have anything in common with the Republicans anymore, so much that for the first time in my life I supported a Democrat for President.

Some people only see the pointing out of this shift as an attack on 'conservatives', it's not. The Republican Party doesn't embody the same conservative values it used to. It has been hijacked, anyone telling you otherwise is probably an apologist or agrees with what is happening.

Lesser of two evils?
If both are for big government, I will default on the side that wants to spend money on the poor (be it a waste or not) than the side trying to dictate my lifestyle to me. We can probably agree that both are fucking lost causes bought and sold by corporate interests.
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I'll tell you what - I am VERY disappointed in Bush and most of the other Republicans these days...but probably not for the reasons most of you are.
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The problem with the vast majority of Republicans happily voting for Bush and his ilk is that do meddle very much in the affairs of ordinary people. I can't see how anyone could vote for these jerks and have the gall to claim they believe in small government. Unless they are stupid.
Yeah, you're right. I don't see how an Administration that's run up record deficits and is meddling big time in people's private affairs can say it believes in "limited government". Last year I thought this game had gone completely bananas because the Democrat was criticizing the Republican for deficit spending. It used to be the other way around.
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Coemgen!!

OMG!

So you've read THE BOOK too! (no, I don't mean the Bible though this book is currently a close second on my list)

I have been pushing this book on this site for the past 2 months..and you used the EXACT same language I have! I just referred someone to sojo yesterday....

SERIOUSLY folks....I am not kidding, this book will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. It's becoming a sensation. At a recent college graduation in Michigan, Bush was the guest speaker, and Karl Rove was there too. Over 25% of the kids wore "God Is Not A Republican Or A Democrat" buttons, and the audience response was restrained.
Awesome, Teta040!

I think you're exactly right. I'm actually just on chapter 6, but I can already say it's changed my life. It's lifted the veil so to speak. I firmly believe if more people read this, it would seriously change politics and a number of other things, for the better. It's a very important book. I think it's one I'm going to read many times. There's just so much jammed into each paragraph. He's such a great writer. God bless you in your quest to get the word out about it!
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What kind of "jabs" does he take against fellow Christians?
Wallis doesn't take jabs at people for their faith, he takes criticizes them for bluring the lines between right wing politics and Christianity to the point where people are starting to see the faith in a light that's not Biblical.
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I'd also suggest
"Sins of the Scripture" by Spon. It focuses on social aspects the right-wing has hijacked for use in furthering an agenda. Such as civil rights, women's rights, and homosexual civil rights. And how specific biblical texts have been used to justify prejudice.

He is a retired Episcopal Bishop.
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This disgusts me. As a Christian, I'm getting more and more urinated off with the Republicans hijacking the faith.

If this disgusts you too, I HIGHLY recommend visiting www.sojo.net, (where they'll probably have a response to this soon) and I HIGHLY recommend reading the new book by Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners, called "God's Politics." He's a Christian who is really taking jabs at the Right Wingers for hijacking the faith and creating a theocracy. I'm about a third of the way through the book and it's seriously changing my world. Check it out. (Bono also endorsed it and is mentioned in the book if that excites you.)
I'm a over halfway throught the book as well, loving it. I think that Jim's blind faith in the UN as the answer to all the world's problems is a little disturbing to me personally, but he's on point 9 times out of 10.
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Scarletwine...

you mean Spong....

A man in who most would not call a Christian.....

He does not believe in the divinity of Christ.
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Scarletwine...

you mean Spong....

A man in who most would not call a Christian.....

He does not believe in the divinity of Christ.
Do you mean that as a bad thing?
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Oh yeah, Irvine, I forgot that all conservative Republicans fan the flames of hatred against gays. I'll try to remember that from now on.

The average "conservative Republicans" isn't even in congress, Irvine. Do you really how many conservative Republicans there are in the US, as opposed to how many actually serve political office of any kind at all? And yet, you state the average conservative Republican has the power to strip gays of their rights.


we're talking about politicians vs. people in a gay pride parade.

remember your terms of argument.
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That's not "my" terms of argument. I've been talking about Conservative Republicans in general, not just politicians.
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Do you mean that as a bad thing?
Well, if you are going to call yourself a Christian, the divinity of Christ should not be a question?

Spong...in my opinion can be right on with many of his thoughts.

However, many in the Christian community cannot get by his one flaw.
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That's disgusting. Signing an anti-gay, anti-choice, law in not only a school....but a Christian school. Who the hell do they think these people are? They think they know what God is? They think they know what God wants? Absolutely disgusting...
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