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Old 06-11-2005, 06:39 PM   #196
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Wow, insensitivety, personal attacks, and a huge lack of scientific understanding all in one post.
Insensitivety? I think all you pro-choice (anti-life) people are insensitive. No lack of scientific understanding? How about you prove to me that just because the embryo is a 1 inch tall that it cannot feel pain or that it is not a forming baby. So you have a huge lack of scientific understanding.
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women are absolutely extremely stupid.



You keep saying this over and over.
I DID NOT say that women are stupid. So don't put words into my mouth. Go back and read what I wrote. I said that women who believe that men want to have power over women by preventing abortions are stupid.
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Old 06-11-2005, 06:52 PM   #198
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Yeah. This guy excels at those. In all the forums.
Nope not in all the forums. I never write any harsh statements against anybody unless they offend me. I believe it was you who started the riff between us. I wrote a theory about how people get less creative as they get old in the "New U2 Album 2006" forum. And YOU said my theory was BULLSHIT. That was a personal attack.
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Insensitivety? I think all you pro-choice (anti-life) people are insensitive. No lack of scientific understanding? How about you prove to me that just because the embryo is a 1 inch tall that it cannot feel pain or that it is not a forming baby. So you have a huge lack of scientific understanding.
Embryo at 1 inch doesn't have the developed brain to "feel" anything, it doesn't have the ability to process. So please at least try in the future.
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Embryo at 1 inch doesn't have the developed brain to "feel" anything, it doesn't have the ability to process. So please at least try in the future.
It is still a forming baby. And yes I did try. Maybe you should try to not be stubborn and understand that an embryo or fetus is not a female body part. Just try.
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It is still a forming baby. And yes I did try. Maybe you should try to not be stubborn and understand that an embryo or fetus is not a female body part. Just try.
No, trying would be to not make statements like "a one month old fetus sucks it's thumb" or continuing the misinformation about "feeling".

Trying would also mean not misquoting me, I never said that an embryo or fetus is a female body part. So I would appreciate you stop the personal attacks and calling me 'stubborn'.

Yes it's FORMING, but not human life yet.
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No, trying would be to not make statements like "a one month old fetus sucks it's thumb" or continuing the misinformation about "feeling".

Trying would also mean not misquoting me, I never said that an embryo or fetus is a female body part. So I would appreciate you stop the personal attacks and calling me 'stubborn'.

Yes it's FORMING, but not human life yet.
It is a human life, and it is forming to become a 'born baby.' A baby is human life, an embryo is human life, a fetus is human life.
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It is a human life, and it is forming to become a 'born baby.' A baby is human life, an embryo is human life, a fetus is human life.
Well then your understanding of science and what makes human life is different than mine.
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And I'm not ignoring the facts you like to repeat. I put them in a different perspective.
Into what other "perspective" can you put the following into, other than "living human being"?

"beginning development of the brain, spinal cord, heart and gastrointestinal tract"

"heart is now beating at a steady rhythm"

"The formation of the lungs, jaw, nose and palate begin now"


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Yes. No woman should have to prove anything to you in order to make her healthcare decisions.
Me? Why would she have to prove anything to me? Since when am I doctor that would decide whether her life is in danger? And if I were a doctor, what exact;y would she have to "prove" to me?

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You and your ilk like to think that women make these decisions lightly, when even you know that's just not true.
I don't think women make these decisions lightly. Choosing life is often a very hard thing for women to do - but I applaud the women who take a stand for precious babies.

Have I ever used the word "ilk" toward you? No. But you have used it toward me. It had very negative connotations. Where's the respect and tolerance for people of other opinions? Or do you only have respect and tolerance for those who agree with you?

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I'm glad you actually put your money where your mouth is, 80s. Do these organizations do anything at all to actually help women prevent unplanned pregnancies? Or do they just address the open barn door after the horse has already escaped?
Hey, my idea of preventing unplanned pregnancies is much more effective than yours; if you aren't mature enough to have a baby, don't have sex. A baby is a natural consequence of sex - if a person isn't responsible enough to deal with the possible consequences of raising a baby, the person's not responsible enough for sex. And when a child is conceived, it's time for the mom and dad to step forward and do right by the baby.
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Hey, my idea of preventing unplanned pregnancies is much more effective than yours; if you aren't mature enough to have a baby, don't have sex.
That's effective? Are you joking?

The reality is that from the beginning of time, men and women have had sex, sometimes resulting in pregnancy. It is neither effective, nor realistic to believe that abstinence will ever work. It never has, and it never will.

And there is also an apparent correlation made between maturity and having a child. There is no way you can state with any certainty that women who choose not to carry their pregnancy to term have a maturity issue.
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An embryo is not a fully formed and functioning human being. It is not a question of science it is one of philosophy.

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Hey, my idea of preventing unplanned pregnancies is much more effective than yours; if you aren't mature enough to have a baby, don't have sex. A baby is a natural consequence of sex - if a person isn't responsible enough to deal with the possible consequences of raising a baby, the person's not responsible enough for sex. And when a child is conceived, it's time for the mom and dad to step forward and do right by the baby.
Yeah, thats exactly what the world needs, more irresponsible parents out there.
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That's effective? Are you joking?

The reality is that from the beginning of time, men and women have had sex, sometimes resulting in pregnancy. It is neither effective, nor realistic to believe that abstinence will ever work. It never has, and it never will.
Abstinence is not effective? You've got to be kidding. Name one time, other than the birth of Christ, that abstinence has resulted in the birth of a baby.
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Yeah, thats exactly what the world needs, more irresponsible parents out there.
I am not advocating that 13 and 14 years old, or any irresponsible people raise children. They can put the babies up for adoption, can't they? When I said "when a child is conceived, it's time for the mom and dad to step forward and do right by the baby", sometimes the "right thing" is to give the child to people who will be able to raise it.
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Abstinence is not effective?
The act of abstinence is effective.

Every person on this planet who is not married and/or mature practicing abstinence? Completely and absolutely unrealistic.

Show me one time in the history of man where this has worked as a method of birth control?

It's advocacy of this type of thinking that results in a lack of effective birth control. Some of us like to operate within the scope of reality in which we live, and that reality dictates that the notion of abstinence as birth control is a big, fat failure. So you can either bury your head in the sand or provide accessible birth control to everyone on the planet if abortions horrify you so.
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An embryo is not a fully formed and functioning human being. It is not a question of science it is one of philosophy.
I will never ever understand how anyone can say that a fetus, with human arms and legs and a human heartbeat and a developing human brain that can suck its thumb and feel pain is not a living human being.

In 1984 President Reagan said: "When the lives of the unborn are snuffed out, they often feel pain, pain that is long and agonizing." President Ronald Reagan to National Religious Broadcasters, New York Times, Jan. 31, 1984

This provoked a public reaction from pro-abortion circles and a response from an auspicious group of professors, including pain specialists and two past presidents of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

They strongly backed Mr. Reagan and produced substantial documentation. Excerpts of their letter (2/13/84) to him included:

"Real time ultrasonography, fetoscopy, study of the fetal EKG (electrocardiogram) and fetal EEG (electroencephalogram) have demonstrated the remarkable responsiveness of the human fetus to pain, touch, and sound. That the fetus responds to changes in light intensity within the womb, to heat, to cold, and to taste (by altering the chemical nature of the fluid swallowed by the fetus) has been exquisitely documented in the pioneering work of the late Sir William Lily — the father of fetology. We state categorically that no finding of modern fetology invalidates the remarkable conclusion drawn after a lifetime of research by the late Professor Arnold Gesell of Yale University. In The Embryology of Behavior: The Beginnings of the Human Mind (1945, Harper Bros.), Dr. Gesell wrote, "and so by the close of the first trimester the fetus is a sentient, moving being. We need not speculate as to the nature of his psychic attributes, but we may assert that the organization of his psychosomatic self is well under way."
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