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Old 06-11-2005, 11:31 AM   #181
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Sorry boys, but it's my body.

None of your scary videos, righteous indignation, odd comparisons, or "compassion" for the "unborn" take away my right to determine my own reproductive matters.

If you men don't want women to abort an unwanted pregnancy, what you need to support then is all the programs out there that provide effective birth control and education for women and girls. Just babbling on about the "horror of abortion on demand" isn't enough. With education and access to effective and safe birth control, we'll both be happy. Unfortunately, I only see the support of this from the pro-choice community. The anti-choice community would rather spend its time scaring the shit out of people and blockading clinics that provide women access to safe and effective health care and family planning.

So, in conclusion, put up or shut up. Make birth control and education easy to get and easy to use and then you'll see fewer abortions.

Babble on all you want, MEN, but I'm still here with this. You don't get to decide whether I have children or not.



You just don't.
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Old 06-11-2005, 11:40 AM   #182
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And besides, are you aware that there are many already existing laws that say what a woman can and can't do with her body? A woman can't use her body to smuggle illegal narcotics into this country. A woman can't fill her body with an excess of alcohol and get behind the wheel of a car.
Yeah, because those activities affect other people. A great deal of other people, potentially. As of now, like it or not, there's still debate over the whole fetus being a baby thing and all that, so...

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In almost every state, a woman is not allowed to rent her body out to men who want sex.
And I think that's stupid. If a woman chooses to do that, and it's all safely done and everything, it IS her body and if she wants to use it for those purposes, I say she should be allowed to.

Okay. Now I'm shutting up.

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Old 06-11-2005, 04:29 PM   #183
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Babble on all you want, MEN, but I'm still here with this. You don't get to decide whether I have children or not.
You just don't.
Martha, please read the following, and then answer the following questions:

1)Is the fetus a living human being?
2)If not, what is it?
3)If it is a living human being, are you really comfortable with chamioning the right to kill it?

From the American Pregnancy Organization:

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/un...velopment1.html

Week 3 - Gestational Age (Fetal Age - Week 1):
The embryo is going through lots of basic growth at this time, with the beginning development of the brain, spinal cord, heart and gastrointestinal tract.

Week 4 & 5 - Gestational Age (Fetal Age - Weeks 2 & 3):
Arm and leg buds are visible, but not clearly distinguishable. The heart is now beating at a steady rhythm. The placenta has begun to form and is producing some important hormones including hCG. There is movement of rudimentary blood through the main vessels. The early structures that will become the eyes and ears are forming. The embryo is ¼ inch long by the end of these weeks.

Week 6 - Gestational Age (Fetal Age - Week 4):
The formation of the lungs, jaw, nose and palate begin now. The hand and feet buds have webbed looking structures that will become the fingers and toes. The brain is continuing to form into its complex parts. A vaginal ultrasound could detect an audible heartbeat at this time. The embryo is about a ½ inch in length.

Week 7 - Gestational Age (Fetal Age - Week 5):
At 7 weeks gestation, every essential organ has begun to form in the embryo’s tiny body even though it still weighs less than an aspirin. The hair and nipple follicles are forming, and the eyelids and tongue have begun formation. The elbows and toes are more visible as the trunk begins to straighten out.

Week 8 - Gestational Age (Fetal Age - Week 6):
The ears are continuing to form externally and internally. Everything that is present in an adult human is now present in the small embryo. The bones are beginning to form and the muscles can contract. The facial features continue to mature and the eyelids are now more developed. The embryo is at the end of the embryonic period and begins the fetal period. The embryo is about 1 inch long and is the size of a bean.
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your link did not work



is this it

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80s, my answer is that no matter what "facts" you and your pals dig up, no matter how much you "care for the unborn", I still put living, breathing women first. If a woman decides for whatever reason that she cannot carry the pregnancy to term, she has the unalterable right to make that decision and carry it out without interference from YOU and all of your other pals who think that her body is somehow your dominion. No bullhorns outside of women's clinics, no horrible photos of mangled fetuses, no heartfelt prayers for the "preborn"'s soul gives you the right to make healthcare decisions for complete strangers.

I'm thrilled beyond all measure that you think "an embyro about 1 inch long and the size of a bean" is more important than the living, breathing woman it's inside. Just thrilled. I look forward to your contributions to Planned Parenthood to support their programs of prenancy prevention, so your goal of ending abortion is realized more quickly.

Write that check, 80s; it's more tax deductible than your RNC contributions are. Lord knows it'll go farther to end abortion.
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Thanks, martha, for fighting the fight in here that I don't have the energy to anymore.

(not that it's a fight, but you know what I mean)
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80s, my answer is that no matter what "facts" you and your pals dig up, no matter how much you "care for the unborn", I still put living, breathing women first. If a woman decides for whatever reason that she cannot carry the pregnancy to term, she has the unalterable right to make that decision and carry it out without interference from YOU and all of your other pals who think that her body is somehow your dominion. No bullhorns outside of women's clinics, no horrible photos of mangled fetuses, no heartfelt prayers for the "preborn"'s soul gives you the right to make healthcare decisions for complete strangers.
Martha, if you keep ignoring the biological facts that people post for you, and just keep repeating the same "woman's right" mantra, people will stop paying attention to what you have to say about the issue. I know I will, especially since you even go so far as to admit that you are dodging the facts, saying "no matter what "facts" you and your pals dig up, no matter how much you "care for the unborn", I still put living, breathing women first."

Some people say that when a woman's life is in danger, she should have the right to an abortion. But what you are telling me is that a woman has a right to an abortion no matter what the reason. In effect, what you are telling me, is that a woman has a right to 9 months' convenience, even if it kills a developing human being.
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Write that check, 80s; it's more tax deductible than your RNC contributions are. Lord knows it'll go farther to end abortion.
For your information, Martha, I financially support prolife organizations that help women in crisis pregnanacies. Why don't you start giving financial help to these organizations? I consider Planned Parenthood, to be a referral center for abortion mills. Why then, being pro-life, would give them one thin dime?
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Babble on all you want, MEN, but I'm still here with this. You don't get to decide whether I have children or not.



You just don't.
Women who think that men want to prevent abortions so they can have power over women are absolutely extremely stupid.

Yea your right, we can't decide if you have children or not. But once YOU decide to have children and your child has begun to form, you shouldn't be able to kill the developing child inside of you.
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I'm thrilled beyond all measure that you think "an embyro about 1 inch long and the size of a bean" is more important than the living, breathing woman it's inside.
An absolutely idiotic statement. Just because it is 1 inch long and the size of a bean does not mean it doesn't feel, or that it is not a baby forming. Just because you are larger, doesn't mean you are more important.
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women are absolutely extremely stupid.



You keep saying this over and over.
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An absolutely idiotic statement. Just because it is 1 inch long and the size of a bean does not mean it doesn't feel, or that it is not a baby forming. Just because you are larger, doesn't mean you are more important.
Wow, insensitivety, personal attacks, and a huge lack of scientific understanding all in one post.
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Martha, if you keep ignoring the biological facts that people post for you, and just keep repeating the same "woman's right" mantra, people will stop paying attention to what you have to say about the issue. I know I will,
You already have. For years.

And I'm not ignoring the facts you like to repeat. I put them in a different perspective.

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Some people say that when a woman's life is in danger, she should have the right to an abortion. But what you are telling me is that a woman has a right to an abortion no matter what the reason.
Yes. No woman should have to prove anything to you in order to make her healthcare decisions.


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In effect, what you are telling me, is that a woman has a right to 9 months' convenience, even if it kills a developing human being.
You know better than that. It's not 9 months' convenience. It's a lifetime decision she's making. You and your ilk like to think that women make these decisions lightly, when even you know that's just not true.

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For your information, Martha, I financially support prolife organizations that help women in crisis pregnanacies. Why don't you start giving financial help to these organizations? I consider Planned Parenthood, to be a referral center for abortion mills. Why then, being pro-life, would give them one thin dime?
I'm glad you actually put your money where your mouth is, 80s. Do these organizations do anything at all to actually help women prevent unplanned pregnancies? Or do they just address the open barn door after the horse has already escaped?

However, your ignorance about Planned Parenthood isn't surprising.
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Wow, insensitivety, personal attacks, and a huge lack of scientific understanding all in one post.
Yeah. This guy excels at those. In all the forums.
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80s, my answer is that no matter what "facts" you and your pals dig up, no matter how much you "care for the unborn", I still put living, breathing women first. If a woman decides for whatever reason that she cannot carry the pregnancy to term, she has the unalterable right to make that decision and carry it out without interference from YOU and all of your other pals who think that her body is somehow your dominion. No bullhorns outside of women's clinics, no horrible photos of mangled fetuses, no heartfelt prayers for the "preborn"'s soul gives you the right to make healthcare decisions for complete strangers.

I'm thrilled beyond all measure that you think "an embyro about 1 inch long and the size of a bean" is more important than the living, breathing woman it's inside. Just thrilled. I look forward to your contributions to Planned Parenthood to support their programs of prenancy prevention, so your goal of ending abortion is realized more quickly.

Write that check, 80s; it's more tax deductible than your RNC contributions are. Lord knows it'll go farther to end abortion.
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