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Old 04-28-2005, 05:17 PM   #46
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And the cherry on that sundae is the tornadoes.
Yes, indeed. Don't get me started on hurricanes.
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Oh crap. I forgot about the hurricanes.
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... this is not about homosexuality, it's about theocracy ... this is not just about homosexuality it's about theocracy ... this is not a gay issue it's an issue about being able to live the life you want ... it's about the government telling you what you can and cannot read ... this is not just a gay issue ... i'm trying not to gaze at my own navel ... this will affect everyone ... this is not just a gay issue ...
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This isn't just a gay issue.








I think Irvine would agree with me.
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That is a mighty big generalisation though, I would say that big government social conservatives want to censor anything that they find disagreeable.
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That is a mighty big generalisation though, I would say that big government social conservatives want to censor anything that they find disagreeable.
True, but it's very hypocritical to the whole "we don't stand for big government" that so many conservatives still try and claim.
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Censorship has a way of backfiring. The most effective way to get a kid (or adult ) to read a book they never would have touched is to tell them it is forbidden.
Ta-da! There ya go-you speak the truth, my friend. It seriously amazes me that some people still haven't caught on to that concept.

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"It's not healthy for America, it doesn't fit what we stand for," says Allen.

We stand for penises and vaginas touching! Let's put a picture of it on the flag !
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Apparently 51% of the country asked for this shit.
51% of the country doesn't live in Alabama...
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We stand for penises and vaginas touching! Let's put a picture of it on the flag !
that might get some to salute the flag
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Thanks, Deep. I'm swiping your picture of the billboard for this week's computer wallpaper.

Idea suppression, thought suppression is a scary deal. We live under the illusion we live in a free society, but the impact of what we do sometimes is no different from what is done in some of the most oppressive societies. And both sides do it. I remember an uproar some years back about Huckleberry Finn. Liberal though I may be, I do not find any essential difference there.

The fundamentalists--or those that are beholden to them--are in power now. To see the power they are trying to wield in personal lives and private decisions is more than troubling. Dreadsox started a thread about extreme fundamentalists, quoting Bono about the hypocrisy, worrying about personal "sins" that don't seem to hurt anyone but affect delicate sensibilities (Victorian swoon here) and have no concern about the bigger actions that affect millions.

I have plenty of problems with the other side. I think they interfere. I think political correctness is a form of thought suppression. I think for all intents and purposes they espouse a philosophy that places personal freedom way above personal responsibility (unless it is the cause de jour) when there should be a balance.

Neither side has any respect whatsoever for the ideas of the other and will silence them however they can, which is the very definition of thought suppression. I am uncomfortable with both sides.

Here's to the moderates, who lean a little either way.
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True, but it's very hypocritical to the whole "we don't stand for big government" that so many conservatives still try and claim.
And those small government conservatives should be against moves like this and the libertarians should most definitely be opposed to it. I think this is more of an issue with religious minded folk than it is of conservatives.
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True, but it's very hypocritical to the whole "we don't stand for big government" that so many conservatives still try and claim.
It's sad that most conservatives don't seem to think this way any more. My dad is pretty conservative, but of the old-school stripe (fiscal responsibility, small government) that's closer to libertarianism in its thinking. He has always said that it's not the government's business what two consenting adults do in their own bedrooms.

It's that wing of conservative thought that I do admire, although I have my disagreements with it; we'd all like a government that respects individual privacy and spends tax money wisely and carefully. For conservatives wanting to wrest their party away from hypermoralism and the image that comes with it, they might start by re-emphasizing those goals of small government and fiscal responsibility. Because today's Republican party is certainly not pro-small government; they want a small government when it comes to human services, but a great big one when it comes to defense and monitoring "moral values."
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You're right pax, conservativism these days often isn't what it used to be. If these particular Republicans were more like Barry Goldwater and less like Jerry Falwell, I'd have alot more respect for them.
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