nbcrusader
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You have no idea what it is to live in a theocracy
nbcrusader said:
You have no idea what it is to live in a theocracy
melon said:And whether fundamentalist Christians are smart enough to know it, that's the kind of country that they're trying to create here. "Freedom" and "elections" with the undertones that you're never able to get rid of their particularly reactionary version of Christianity in law. And now they're trying to stack the judiciary with hard-line supporters to ensure that no matter who is in office, they'll be in control for at least another generation or two.
Melon
nbcrusader said:
You have no idea what it is to live in a theocracy
financeguy said:
Theocracy lite maybe, but not a full scale one (speaking as an outsider, I admit).
Do US religious conservatives wish to introduce be-headings, stonings, jail sentences for gays, etc, etc? For the most part, I think not. And also, a lot of prominent neo-conservatives are Jewish, so they wouldn't be having it.
I honestly think that Ireland in the 1950's, was closer to being a theocracy than the US is in 2005. Actually Spain under Franco probably was too, now that I think of it.
Incidentally on the gay marriage issue, how many countries have legalised it? 3, 4, a handful? Are all the countries that haven't legalised it, theocracies?
financeguy said:Theocracy lite maybe, but not a full scale one (speaking as an outsider, I admit).
Do US religious conservatives wish to introduce be-headings, stonings, jail sentences for gays, etc, etc? For the most part, I think not. And also, a lot of prominent neo-conservatives are Jewish, so they wouldn't be having it.
I honestly think that Ireland in the 1950's, was closer to being a theocracy than the US is in 2005. Actually Spain under Franco probably was too, now that I think of it.
financeguy said:As an aside, on the gay marriage issue, how many countries have legalised it? 3, 4, a handful? Are all the countries that haven't legalised it, theocracies? Does the US non-legalisation of gay marriage to date make it a theocracy, or is it not the case that there is a strong movement to legalise gay marriage in the US, indicate precisely the opposite?
Irvine511 said:but, hey, it's not like you're rights are going to be trampled on, so why worry?
melon said:Secondly, Ireland, as a theocracy, didn't stone or behead gays, as far as I know, but did everything probably to deny any rights at all for them.
And next time perhaps the White House, in announcing and presenting the arguments for a new nominee to the high court, will remember a certain tradition with regard to how we do it in America. We don't say, "We've nominated Joe because he's a Catholic!" A better and more traditional approach is, "Nominee Joe is a longtime practitioner of the law with considerable experience, impressive credentials, and a lively and penetrating intellect. Any questions? Yes, he is a member of the Catholic church. Any other questions?"
That's sort of how we do it. We put the horse and then the cart. The arguments for the person and then the facts attendant to the person. You don't say, "Vote for this gal because she's an Evangelical!" That shows a carelessness, an inability to think it through, to strategize, to respectfully approach serious facts--failings that, if they weren't typical of the White House the past few months, might be called downright sexist.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/
What do you think about religious progressives like Cornel West, Jim Wallis and Michael Lerner?Irvine511 said:i personally find the religiosity in the language of the president and of many members of the Republican party offensive, and i'm not an atheist.
yolland said:
What do you think about religious progressives like Cornel West, Jim Wallis and Michael Lerner?