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Old 05-06-2005, 10:54 AM   #16
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it's good to see no one is arguing for this.
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do they fear the passing on of the "gay gene"?
every gay person i know came from a hetero union



is this is government sponsored bigotry

hiding behind bad science?
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is this is government sponsored bigotry

hiding behind bad science?
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Old 05-06-2005, 01:58 PM   #20
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pardon the pun....that's nuts! (the subject matter that is, not anyone's post)

really, really sad.
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Oh good Christ in heaven. This is utter garbage.

When I saw this article when I got home from school today, my jaw literally dropped. This might just be the most blatant form of discrimination against homosexuals that I've seen so far. WHAT NEXT? Should gays have their own schools and water fountains?

Oh, and the obligatory (of course)
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now that i think about it, perhaps this is part of a larger strategy. as homosexuals are more and more represented in popular culture, and as decades of fear and lies start to fall away and we come to understand that gay people are people first and that there is no moral distinction to be made between heterosexuality and homosexuality, perhaps this shows a shifting of technique.

instead of couching it as a "moral" issue or a "religious" issue, the homophobic social right is going to start condemning homosexuality for being "unhealthy" ... sorry, that the "gay lifestyle" is "unhealthy." and then they will use this as the basis for anti-gay legislation.
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What about donating blood, what are the guidelines for that now? How is that any different?
I used to give (sell?) plasma, and they wouldn't let you if you were male and had sex with a man, or female and had sex with a man who has had sex with another man within a certain time period.

Though I would hope they tested all the plasma for AIDS and other diseases, my guess is that they do it to exclude high risk groups and thus save money. If they pay someone and then throw out their plasma they lose money, so they exclude some of the high risk groups so they don't have to pay them in the first place. I'd imagine the same would be true for sperm banks.

Just a guess. Either way, I think it's ridiculous.
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I think Kristie might be on to something - I recalled the same kinds of stuff when giving blood.

I bet it's an actuary science kind of thing - forumlaes/risk mitigation calcs, etc...

and someone is saving a buck somewhere

--and although obviously discriminatory I'm not sure if it's a sinister, larger strategy worthy of THEOCRACY WATCH.
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It damned well IS.

Have you noticed how much legislation Our Savior Dubya has snuck under the radar these past 3 months, while the public is asleep:

1) making it all but impossible to file a class-action lawsuit
2) Ditto for filing for bankrupcy (how ling will it take the public to wake up to this one and realize they've been HAD?)
3) Requiring 4 (count'em) types of ID to be presented at Motor Vehicle to get or renew a driver's license, this info being entered into a Federal database that is quietly being contrcuted as we write)..can we say BIG bOTHER anyone? A national ID is just around the corner, and it'll be a LOT different than just having a Soc Security number
4) Removing virtually all protections from previously unlogged land, including a lot of land currently in National Parks..that's right, the timber inductry is now free to go in and build roads and commit ecocide just about anywhere. "Ecocide", that' a great word, I've picked it up from the book I'm reading right now, the sequal to Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel",. They way he used it it means when socities unwittingly destroy their environment through overuse of rescources and it leads to the collapse of their civilization, nothing evil about it, just stupity--as in "suicide"; though I prefer to use it like "genocide" of the environment, "ecocide")
5)Closed all but 4 out of the 150 Social Sec. offices around the country, making it much HARDER FOR the elderly who are discriminated against in filing for medical claims, admittance into nursing homes, etc, to have a judge hear their case--they'll now how a case heard on TV screen, if it;s heard at all. Don't tell me that Bush is quietyl dismantling the Social Security infrastructure agaist the people's wishes, as if he had support for his plans, which a lot of people don't support this...thus making it easier for him to sell the doing away with it later on, he'll cite these very closongs making it harder to run the bearucratic apparatus needed to keep the program in existence)

And that's not even getting into the religious issues.

I hate to say this, but I hope the price of oil doubles in the next year, even thoughit'll make things much harder for us. Economically. It just might be the only thing that willmake the American people wake up out of their stupor and realize just what they voted for. We all saw the pics of him kissing up to the Saudis last week. "Pump more oil, please, so my poll numbers can go up again!" Um: has anyhbody on here heard the term PEAK OIL? If you don't learn about it. SCARY stuff. Saudi Arabia has far less cheap oil than we thought it did. It has alot of oil still, but not cheap or clean or high quality oil left. I might start a thread on chaging lifestyles as a result....
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^Not much to do with a theocracy though.
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I hate to say this, but I hope the price of oil doubles in the next year, even thoughit'll make things much harder for us. Economically. It just might be the only thing that willmake the American people wake up out of their stupor and realize just what they voted for.

will get to you in a min, Irv.
erm, Teta..... I'm one of those poor people who could be drastically afected by your "wishfulful" futurecast thinking. I was lower to middle- middle class until around ten yrs back. I never did that kind of thinking. I was a liberal/prgressive then, as I still am now.

But I don't like being an Unvoluntered "guiena pig", in these kind of mental political projects . ANd not all the time- but much of the time when this kind of thinking IS done, it's by middle class people, or really upper middle class people.

SO unless you're poor where we can then argue strategy on an even playing field. OR you're going to contribute generously to a charity that'll help pay my heating bills, so I don't "have to" freeze half the winter away......... I'd kindly ask you to refrain from this kind of thinking. [/rant]
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As for the homophobes....

to hell with all religious fundimentalists...... ESP when they try to take over the goverment.
I don't like ANY of them, becasue the are SO bigoted against gays, women, scientists [not talking about unethical or ones bought by big corps]. NAd though I am a very spiritual person-- I had a strong adversion to fundamentalists of one religion calling their religion 'the one true" religion...whether Christian, Islam {the worst offenders IMHP} [ tho the Hindu Nationalist don't get any aplause from me while they battle with the muslims in Northern India - what a sad mess}, by the time I was ten yrs old.

I do have great affection for two of the most liberal-minded and Ecumenical {which they not only include the 3 mono-theistic religions, but the multi-thestic Hinduim, Non-theisatioc Buddhism and the animistic types...African, Native American etc Indigenous religions} Episcopal churhes here......
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I hate to say this, but I hope the price of oil doubles in the next year, even thoughit'll make things much harder for us. Economically. It just might be the only thing that willmake the American people wake up out of their stupor and realize just what they voted for.
It's great to see such an optimistic attitude.
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optimistic attitudes result in people like GWB getting elected.

i'll retain my skepticism.
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Well, to stay off-topic, I don't wish the price of oil gets any higher, no matter who is in power.
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