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Old 10-14-2005, 07:10 PM   #1
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The Witch has reached 80

I see it was Maggie Thatchers birthday yesterday, the old witch has reached 80, oh how I still hate her after all these years.

Her birthday bash was a whos who of the so called British Establishment. AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.
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Happy birthday Lady Thatcher.
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Wow, happy birthday, Maggie!

I wonder if Pinochet turned up.
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Old 10-15-2005, 12:27 AM   #4
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Look on the bright side. If Margaret Thatcher hadn't been such an intolerant bitch, the UK probably wouldn't be so liberal now. Who would have ever guessed that the Tories would have become so socially progressive? Now all they need to do is create a strong and cohesive right-wing fiscal policy, and they might get elected again.

Unfortunately, here in the U.S., too many elections are still fought and won based on bigotry. A shame.

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Steel Bitch.
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Look on the bright side. If Margaret Thatcher hadn't been such an intolerant bitch, the UK probably wouldn't be so liberal now. Who would have ever guessed that the Tories would have become so socially progressive? Now all they need to do is create a strong and cohesive right-wing fiscal policy, and they might get elected again.
That's certainly one way of looking at it, but at the same time Thatherism changed (irreversibly?) the terms of political debate in Britain in a profoundly negative way. Why else would the Labour Party have adopted policies which at times are more Thatcherite than Thatcher - whether's in terms of PFI in the NHS, top-up fees in university education or the Iraq war?

Actually there was an interesting article on this subject in the Guardian earlier in the week, not something I agree entirely with, but I think the author does a good job of arguing that actually New Labour may turn out to have shaped Tory policy more than the Tories shaped New Labour.

Eclipsing Thatcherism

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Thatcher's legacy has been double-edged. She helped destroy her own party and its great governing tradition, ending the political hegemony it had enjoyed for 100 years. But this was partly because her success helped to transform Labour, forcing it to modernise and so removing the enemy against which the Conservatives had organised for so long.

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Under Thatcher, the policy unit used to ask of any policy: can the private sector deliver this? Now Conservative leadership contenders ask: how will this policy affect the worst-off? Thatcher transformed Labour, but New Labour is now transforming the Conservatives.
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Without Thatcherism the UK would be in a very bad sort of way today.
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I never liked Thatcher. I guess I never will. Still, happy birthday to her as a person.
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Some say she was the original Spice Girl.
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is anyone else bothered by the use of the world "bitch" to describe a female politician?

(no matter how awful she may or may not have been)
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I am not in the slightest bit bothered by the use of the word bitch when describing Thatcher. I lived under her policies in Scotland and bitch is what she was...
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is anyone else bothered by the use of the world "bitch" to describe a female politician?

(no matter how awful she may or may not have been)
I am not bothered, in and of itself, by the term "bitch" to describe a female politician (maybe on this side of the pond, standards of political discourse are a bit more....robust ).

I am however bothered by the one-sided responses on the thread, with the exception of A_Wanderer's.

I fail to see what was so hateful about Thatcher, given that she rescued the UK economy from a decade or more of moribund depression, and that she provided an example to many other countries (including my own) that enterprise wasn't something to be afraid of, that hard work wasn't something to be ashamed of, that socialism offered no solutions. These things bother me slightly, just a tad, but not the specific use of the term 'bitch' if other posters think that is appropriate.... but I disagree with them.

Would the UK people who posted have preferred the Communist sympathiser Michael Foot to have been PM, a man who would probably have sold your country down the river to the Soviet Union? My English relatives voted for Thatcher, every chance they got, and so would I, neither I am ashamed of it.
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I am not bothered, in and of itself, by the term "bitch" to describe a female politician (maybe on this side of the pond, standards of political discourse are a bit more....robust ).

I am however bothered by the one-sided responses on the thread, with the exception of A_Wanderer's.

I fail to see what was so hateful about Thatcher, given that she rescued the UK economy from a decade or more of moribund depression, and that she provided an example to many other countries (including my own) that enterprise wasn't something to be afraid of, that hard work wasn't something to be ashamed of, that socialism offered no solutions. These things bother me slightly, just a tad, but not the specific use of the term 'bitch' if other posters think that is appropriate.... but I disagree with them.

Would the UK people who posted have preferred the Communist sympathiser Michael Foot to have been PM, a man who would probably have sold your country down the river to the Soviet Union?
Here are a few reasons why she is so hateful
1. Her government single handedly destroyed entire communities through her decimation of the mining industry, resulting now in areas of extremely high drug use and crime. These were people who very much knew of the 'hard work' you speak of and she kicked the legs from under them.
2. she was the catalyst for the running down of the NHS, a job Mr Blair seems happy to continue...
3. If her example of ruthlessness and dictatorial leadership is an example to other nations then heaven help us!! Give me socialism any day...
4. She dumped all her most gruesome ideas on Scotland as she knew she hadn't a hope in hell of getting even one MP here, and for that she shall not be forgiven...bitch!!
So,yes..I would have preferred communist sympathiser (???!!!)Michael Foot, a good man who was systematically ridiculed by the right wing press at the time, but who stood for decency and egalitarianism. More people like him in politics and we might not need organisations like Make Poverty History.
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Here are a few reasons why she is so hateful
1. Her government single handedly destroyed entire communities through her decimation of the mining industry, resulting now in areas of extremely high drug use and crime. These were people who very much knew of the 'hard work' you speak of and she kicked the legs from under them.
2. she was the catalyst for the running down of the NHS, a job Mr Blair seems happy to continue...
3. If her example of ruthlessness and dictatorial leadership is an example to other nations then heaven help us!! Give me socialism any day...
4. She dumped all her most gruesome ideas on Scotland as she knew she hadn't a hope in hell of getting even one MP here, and for that she shall not be forgiven...bitch!!
So,yes..I would have preferred communist sympathiser (???!!!)Michael Foot, a good man who was systematically ridiculed by the right wing press at the time, but who stood for decency and egalitarianism. More people like him in politics and we might not need organisations like Make Poverty History.

"Give me socialism any day" - oh wonderful, I suppose you would have prefered to live in the Soviet Union where millions were sent to the gulags. "Dictatorial leadership"- I think that Magaret Thatcher was democratically elected. On three separate occasions.

I take it you read the Guardian regularly.
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Gee no offence Finance Guy but weren't you just saying in another thread a few days ago that it's silly to equate socialism or social-democracy style policies with full on soviet communism?

And now you're doing it!

Isn't that just a bit over the freaking top????

Don't take this personally, but I couldn't not say it.
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