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Old 06-17-2005, 06:40 AM   #31
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What are single people to do? Well, according to the Bible, abstain from sex. It's not impossble; many people do it.

I'm not sure if
Adam and Eve ever had an official ceremony, but I know that their union was blessed by God. They were one in every way - God even created Eve from Adam.


so, if through fate and circumstance a single person never meets someone to marry, they are doomed to never achieve any sort of union and never experience one of the consummate human experiences?

and, again, what's a poor gay boy to do?

as for A & E, that's been addressed in subsequent posts.

allegory. all allegory. it might be truth, but i take all said "facts" with a big grain of salt.

but that's just me.
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What are single people to do? Well, according to the Bible, abstain from sex. It's not impossble; many people do it.

I'm not sure if
Adam and Eve ever had an official ceremony, but I know that their union was blessed by God. They were one in every way - God even created Eve from Adam.
I don't know a lot about the Bible. Could you please tell me what chapter and verse you are referrring to in the Bible regarding single people abstaining form sex?
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"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body" I Corinthians 6:18

"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion [literally, "be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust)" 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."-1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness..." - Galatians 5:19

"And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. " - Eph 5:2-4

"Follow peace with all, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Hbr 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled; Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright." - Hebrews 12:14-16
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allegory. all allegory. it might be truth, but i take all said "facts" with a big grain of salt.

but that's just me.
Irvine, though we disagree on Adam and Eve, I apprecaite the respect with which you stated your disagreement.
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what do we mean by fornication?

i think a good explanation of that word would go a long ways towards what those biblical passages are about.

here's what dictionary.com had to say, thought it was interesting:

for·ni·ca·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôrn-kshn)
n.
Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.
Word History: The word fornication had a lowly beginning suitable to what has long been the low moral status of the act to which it refers. The Latin word fornix, from which fornicti, the ancestor of fornication, is derived, meant “a vault, an arch.” The term also referred to a vaulted cellar or similar place where prostitutes plied their trade. This sense of fornix in Late Latin yielded the verb fornicr, “to commit fornication,” from which is derived fornicti, “whoredom, fornication.” Our word is first recorded in Middle English about 1303.

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for·ni·ca·tion (fôrn-kshn)
n.

Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.

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forni·cate v.


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Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin fornicatio, from fornicare to have intercourse with prostitutes, from Latin fornic- fornix arch, vault, brothel
: consensual sexual intercourse between a man and esp. single woman who are not married to each other; also : the crime of engaging in fornication —compare ADULTERY
NOTE: Where still considered a crime, fornication is classified as a misdemeanor.


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Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other


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fornication

n 1: voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other 2: extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations; "adultery is often cited as grounds for divorce" [syn: adultery, criminal conversation]


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fornication

in every form of it was sternly condemned by the Mosaic law (Lev. 21:9; 19:29;
Deut. 22:20, 21, 23-29; 23:18; Ex. 22:16). (See ADULTERY.) But this word is
more frequently used in a symbolical than in its ordinary sense. It frequently
means a forsaking of God or a following after idols (Isa. 1:2; Jer. 2:20; Ezek.
16; Hos. 1:2; 2:1-5; Jer. 3:8,9).
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what do we mean by fornication?

i think a good explanation of that word would go a long ways towards what those biblical passages are about.
I'll play the part of the Bible nerd for the moment.

The word "fornication" in the above texts (most of them, at least, I didn't check them all) is the Greek "porneian" which is most often translated as "fornication" or "sexual immorality." It is the root of where we get our English word "pornography."

It originally meant "prostitution," but later at the time of the New Testament held a wider range of meaning that included all "illicit sexual relations."

In the Old Testament (Septuagint), it was used as a translation of the Hebrew "zanah," which meant "illicit intercourse." Metaphorically, it stood for religious idolatry, specifically idolatry of Israel against God in an unfaithfulness to her "Husband," God.
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80's it seems to me those verses you quoted can be interpreted in different ways. However, thanks for the info.
Regardless, I am going to continue to fornicate. Sex is natural, sex is fun!
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80's it seems to me those verses you quoted can be interpreted in different ways. However, thanks for the info.
Regardless, I am going to continue to fornicate. Sex is natural, sex is fun!
As Irvine pointed out there are indeed different meanings for different contexts.

However, I would think that the meaning of the following passages is quite clear:

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion [literally, "be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust)" 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."-1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV
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did Jesus have anything to say on the matter?
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What continues to worry me about never having sex before marriage is the problem of total sexual incompatibility. It does happen, you know. Obviously, it's not a good idea, for one's physical or spiritual health, to slut it up and have gazillions of casual sex partners. But when you're in a committed, monogamous, long-term relationship, and contemplating marriage...I don't know, for me, I think a sex life is important. I think you'd need to make sure you're happy to be sleeping with that person and no one else for the rest of your life, and that your partner is happy with that as well. You need to make sure that he or she is generous and fun and attentive as a lover, etc. etc...

Wouldn't it suck to get married and find out you're totally sexually incompatible? To me, I want to be at the altar with zero reservations. I want to say "I do" freely and happily and peacefully. I don't want there to be any unanswered questions, any mysteries, any surprises. And to my way of thinking, that really does honor a Christian ideal of marriage, in that marriage is supposed to be lasting and faithful.
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Sexual desire, lust, whatever you want to call it, seems just like a natural human feeling. All you have to do is look at the delicious men in my avatar and signature to see desire. Yet I didn't choose to find them attractive. It just happened when I laid eyes upon them. How is this sinful if I can't help it? Or am I just misunderstanding everything.
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did Jesus have anything to say on the matter?
When talking about the difference between ceremonial cleanliness and inner cleanliness, he said, "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

Here, again, he uses the Greek "porniea" which I described ealier for our English "sexual immorality."

When asked about divorce, he quoted the Old Testament with "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

And as far as our original topic of this thread, there's the straightfoward, "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
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By the way, according to what I have just read, Corinthians are based on letters written by Paul, not Jesus, concerning problems in the church.
Also, I would like say, God does not expect us to be perfect and without sin. I agree we should try to live a good life, but we also need to be realistic and we should not judge others.
People have been having sex since the beginning of time and will continue to have sex and we should not feel guilty about a natural desire.
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And as far as our original topic of this thread, there's the straightfoward, "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."


did Jesus say this? or was this from the OT?

also, do you think sexual sins cause more hysteria than other sins?
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Yeah, Jesus said it. His quoting of the OT was "Do not commit adultery." The rest was all him.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hysteria." Please explain. It sounds like a very interesting question.
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