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Old 08-07-2002, 10:38 AM   #1
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The Unforgettable Fire

The first atomic bomb burst in the sky over Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 and raised the curtain on the tragedy of mankind's entrance into the Nuclear Age. It gave warning that the human race may destroy itself through war. It confronted us with the dilemma we are forced to resolve: "Which shall it be, War or Peace?"
For everyone on the face of the earth now compelled to live in the Nuclear Age, the experience of Hiroshima becomes both a waring and a foundation on which to build peace. We of this city deeply feel its awesome and historic meaning.

The knowledge and wisdom of all men must be gathered and employed to build eternal peace. The tremendous effort which men now expend on war shall be rechanneled into planning for and building a mutually supportive communit





From the Hiroshima Peace Museum
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Thank you. That was very much appreciated and noted. That was most kind.

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Beautiful thoughts Rafmed, I wish it were attainable in this life on Earth.
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227 thousands of innocent human lives , if this is not a war-crime , then what is ???????////
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Beautiful thoughts Rafmed, I wish it were attainable in this life on Earth.
We can only but hope, and do what is in our hands.
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I wish it were attainable in this life on Earth.
something that i think can never be said enough:

it starts with the children



honestly, if you have children in your lives, be they your own, neices, nephews, cousins, whatever, let them know how much you love them and how important it is to love one another.


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227 thousands of innocent human lives , if this is not a war-crime , then what is ???????////
Um, how about trying to conquer the entire Far East?

Nobody is particularly happy about the way the war ended, but was there an alternative? Historians argue about it to this day.
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Such a terrible thing to happen!
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Thanks for posting that Rafmed.
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Is the irony not staring you in the face?

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something that i think can never be said enough:

it starts with the children



honestly, if you have children in your lives, be they your own, neices, nephews, cousins, whatever, let them know how much you love them and how important it is to love one another.


Wise words Lilly...wise words.

Thanks for posting that rafmed.
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227 thousands of innocent human lives , if this is not a war-crime , then what is ???????////
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Um, how about trying to conquer the entire Far East?

Nobody is particularly happy about the way the war ended, but was there an alternative? Historians argue about it to this day.
What hurts in my opinion is that the victims were human beings, like you and me. And the ones to blame were also human beings, like you and me.

We are capable of it, and we are our own victims.
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What hurts in my opinion is that the victims were human beings, like you and me. And the ones to blame were also human beings, like you and me.

We are capable of it, and we are our own victims.
Exactly. Well said.

I remember learning about Hiroshima and reading some literature dealing with that day. My god, what a horrible, tragic event.

I will never understand how anyone could actually feel that solving any problems with violence is a good thing.

It's nice to see other people in this thread who want peace, too. That makes me feel better.

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Exactly. Well said.

I remember learning about Hiroshima and reading some literature dealing with that day. My god, what a horrible, tragic event.

I will never understand how anyone could actually feel that solving any problems with violence is a good thing.

It's nice to see other people in this thread who want peace, too. That makes me feel better.

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All I'm asking is for people who opposed the bombing to get beyond the visceral impression that the bombings left and consider whether or not the world would have been better off had the US chosen an alternative. Could the US have scared Japan into surrender by dropping the bomb on an uninhabited island? Could the US have relaxed its demands for an unconditional surrender? Could the US have continued using conventional forces without creating a bloodbath?

It's easy to oppose authority (or agree with it). It's harder to make carefully considered opinions about this kind of stuff.
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All I'm asking is for people who opposed the bombing to get beyond the visceral impression that the bombings left and consider whether or not the world would have been better off had the US chosen an alternative. Could the US have scared Japan into surrender by dropping the bomb on an uninhabited island? Could the US have relaxed its demands for an unconditional surrender? Could the US have continued using conventional forces without creating a bloodbath?

It's easy to oppose authority (or agree with it). It's harder to make carefully considered opinions about this kind of stuff.
you make a very good point, speedracer. I wonder how many of you are aware of the inhuman atrocities committed by the Japanese army as they occupied South East Asia. As one who has stood at the foot of mass graves of Indonesians who were massacred for no reason other than that they existed (the Japanese occupiers rounded up whole villages, forced them to dig huge pits and then methodically beheaded or shot them, thousands at a time), although I am sympathetic towards the Japanese citizens who were harmed in the bombing, I have to say that ending this horrific regime as quickly as possible was a worthwhile goal.

My personal experience is of course, only with Indonesia, but as I'm very well aware, the worst of the atrocities happened in China. Approximately 20 million people were brutally tortured, raped, and murdered...a slaughter that is definitely equal in scope and chilling cruelty to that of the Jewish holocaust. One of the worst examples of this was the Nanking massacre

Like everything in history, there are two sides to every story. Violence is not a desirable answer but I wonder if we are not too quick to jump on the "nuclear" bandwagon and ignore the events that brought the leaders of the time to that decision. In any case, knee-jerk reactions and opinions usually fail to encompass the depth, complexity and seriousness of all that happened.
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