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Old 07-21-2004, 02:31 AM   #1
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The UN voted against us....Gee I'm SHOCKED!

In a unanimous(sp?) decision, the UN general assembly passed a vote calling for us to dismantle the security fence that helps protect us from suicide bombers.

Gee, do you think that their next vote will be to elect Osama Bin Laden as Secretary-General with Saddam Hussein as his deputy?

*rolls eyes*
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:53 AM   #2
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150 yes, 6 against
in the resolution they also mentioned that Israel has the right of self defense.

But of course they must all be terrorist supporters because they don't think it was a good idea of mr. sharon to build the fence in the territory of palestine instead of their own territory.
And of course they obviousely must be terrorist friends because they ask Israel to compensate the innocent victims of their destruction
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Who were the 6? US & who else?

I think it's obvious; don't build it on Palestinian land.
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Voting against the measure were Australia, the Federated States of Micronesia, Israel, the Marshall Islands, Palau and the United States. The countries that abstained were Cameroon, Canada, El Salvador, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tonga, Uganda, Uruguay and Vanuatu.
from http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...iddle&Cr1=east
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Gee, do you think that their next vote will be to elect Osama Bin Laden as Secretary-General with Saddam Hussein as his deputy?
nah, I don't think they'll do that
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I repeat it is not simply a fence built on "Palestinian" territory many sections go beyond the pre-'67 borders because it has to protect the Israeli Settlements and the infrastructure that supports them, they have as much right to live without fear of terrorism as any other Israeli civilian. This whole UN debacle is a total crock designed to chalk one more "violates international law" and "disregards UN resolutions" for the Palestinians to use to divert attention away from the evil that they produce. Blaming Israel for putting a fence to peacefully protect her citizens from Arab Bombers is the same as Blaming a Rape Victim who then goes on to carry mace as means defence.

The United Nations is the biggest hive of scum and villainy on the planet, I have absolutely no respect for them from their Zionism is Racism up to their appointment of Libya as head of a Human Rights comittee the United Nations has done nothing to furthur peace in the Middle East or around the globe, they have absolutely no real authority to force countries to comply in the rare cases where they condemn those that deserve condemnation and this costs a lot of lives. The world would be a lot better off if every country was kicked out of the United Nations General Assembly until they can prove that they are a pluralist liberal democracy then you could actually have a solid chance at maintaining peace. They had a chance to show the UN was a legitimate organization in the post Cold War 1990's however the failures of Rwanda, Somalia and the former Yugoslavia are the three crutial strikes against the UN as a functioning forum for the worlds ills in my book. The concept is noble and I know that it works when every actor is civilized but as it stands it is a corrupt and hypocritical organization that betrays the true liberal vision of a great collection of nations that inspired it.

I am truly proud that my government voted against the resolution and did not become party to this ritual condemning of Israel, Alan Dershowitz was totally right when he said that Israel is the Jew among Nations as it is castigated and ostracised for peacefully protecting its civilians and ensuring its ongoing existance and doing it humanly without loosing its freedoms in the face of ongoing Arab agression. Long live the Jews and let us hope that the international community will come to its senses and work to bring liberty and freedom to all people of the world.
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A classic quote from Israeli UN ambassador Dan Gillerman.
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"Mr President, allow me to start with a vote of thanks. Thank God that the fate of Israel and of the Jewish people is not decided in this hall."
He hit the nail on the head.

Those that voted against this UNacceptable resolution are as follows. Israel, United States Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Palau and Australia, (One drink for every time the UN condems Israel and 5 or more for when >5 countries vote against them).

Aussie government starts voting against terrorism, barrier is proving to be a massive success at fighting terrorism nonviolently and the worlds richest terrorist has serious problems maintaining his regime, Cause for a celebration .

One question, do people who oppose the security barrier in its current iteration also oppose the one the Saudi/Yemeni fence and the India/Pakistan one, how about Cyprus, or the USA/Mexico one, there is a useless barrier between North and South Korea and there are fences all over Europe to keep pesky immigrants out and Botswana is moving to put an electric fence in place between it and Zimbabwe. We cannot stand by while all these unjust fences of opression exist, if we condemn one we must condemn all, UN, Tear Down All These Walls
/sarcasm.

In addition to these developments the UN has moved 1/3rd of its foreign workers out of Gaza and to, of all places, Jerusalem (, a fence is good enough to keep terrorists away from UN staff but when its there to protect Israelis its an entirely different matter). It seems that the security situation has deteriorated after UN envoy Roed-Larsen was almost kidnapped my Arab Terror - sorry - Palestinain Activists who wanted to threaten his life in an attempt to pressure the Israeli Government. It is a tragic comedy the way that the UN courts terrorists and gives them precidence over much more deserving people that do not continue to deliberatly massacre civilians (such as the Kurds and Tibetans, both people who have had no success with terrorism and because of this left to fade away under real tyranny) but to have the UN envoy make comments against Arafat thus destabalising the PA and then having to pull out workers to Jerusalem is one of the more humorous turns in this whole sorry saga.
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A_Wanderer:
These settlements are illegal. It's no good idea to protect illegal settlements through violating international laws and building your defense-line in your neighbours garden.

(and thats the difference to the USA/Mexican border. the US built their fence on their side of the border
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The fact that no one else in this forum is responding to these obviously slanted and prejudicial statements toward the U.N. and without accepting the brutal and oppressive way that the state of Israel was even formed ( a war of attack to take over the land of Palestine) shows that your vicious statements full of negativity OFFER NOTHING TO HELP THE CAUSE OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.

And international peace and understanding (let alone Justice for tens of thousands of Palestinian people forcibly removed from land that THEIR ancestors had lived on for thousands of years) are issues that U2 have held CLOSE TO THEIR HEARTS and even attempted to bring up at the Popmart concert in Tel Aviv, to a silent snub by the audience!

Charity and Justice must begin at home, or it does not live in your hearts. I say "NO MORE" to war, prejudice and negative posts.

Offer us something POSITIVE - a solution which promotes Peace with Justice. This is what someone who professes to love and understand U2 would do.
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Re: The UN voted against us....Gee I'm SHOCKED!

I've grown so tired of it all, beyond any words. The only thing that articulates what I feel is this poem:


Temporary Poem of My Time/Yehuda Amichai (1924-2000)

Hebrew writing and Arabic writing go from east to west,
Latin writing, from west to east.
Languages are like cats:
You must not stroke their hair the wrong way.
The clouds come from the sea, the hot wind from the desert,
The trees bend in the wind,
And stones fly from all four winds,
Into all four winds. They throw stones,
Throw this land, one at the other,
But the land always falls back to the land.
They throw the land, want to get rid of it.
Its stones, its soil, but you can't get rid of it.

They throw stones, throw stones at me
In 1936, 1938, 1948, 1988,
Semites throw at Semites and anti-Semites at anti-Semites,
Evil men throw and just men throw,
Sinners throw and tempters throw,
Geologists throw and theologists throw,
Archaelogists throw and archhooligans throw,
Kidneys throw stones and gall bladders throw,
Head stones and forehead stones and the heart of a stone,
Stones shaped like a screaming mouth
And stones fitting your eyes
Like a pair of glasses,
The past throws stones at the future,
And all of them fall on the present.
Weeping stones and laughing gravel stones,
Even God in the Bible threw stones,
Even the Urim and Tumim were thrown
And got stuck in the beastplate of justice,
And Herod threw stones and what came out was a Temple.

Oh, the poem of stone sadness
Oh, the poem thrown on the stones
Oh, the poem of thrown stones.
Is there in this land
A stone that was never thrown
And never built and never overturned
And never uncovered and never discovered
And never screamed from a wall and never discarded by the builders
And never closed on top of a grave and never lay under lovers
And never turned into a cornerstone?

Please do not thorow any more stones,
You are moving tha land,
The holy, whole, open hand,
You are moving it into the sea,
And the sea doesn't want it,
The sea says, not in me.

Please throw little stones,
Throw snail fossils, throw gravel,
Justice or injustice from the quarries of Migdal Tsedek,
Throw soft stones, throw sweet clods,
Throw limestone, throw clay,
Throw sand of the seashore,
Throw dust of the desert, throw rust,
Throw soil, throw wind,
Throw air, throw nothing
Until your hands are weary
And the war is weary
And even peace will be weary and will be.


He was such a wise man and an incredibly gifted poet. There are some more translated poems of his right here
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And maybe just another one, I really can't resist... (Sorry, don't mean this to turn into a poetry forum, but this poems are related)


Jerusalem/Yehauda Amichai

On a roof in the Old City
laundry hanging in the late afternoon sunlight.
the white sheet of a woman who is my enemy,
the towl of a man who is my enemy,
to wipe off the sweat of his brow.

In the sky of the Old City
a kite
At the other end of the string,
a child
i can't see
because of the wall.

We have put up many flags,
they have put up many flags,
to make us think that they're happy.
To make them think that we're happy.


OK, that's it, I promise.
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Old 07-21-2004, 10:39 AM   #12
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Thank you, sarit!

Let's talk of ways that we can further the cause of international peace with justice for EVERYONE.



Those poems are BEAUTIFUL and REALLY said more than any political discourse that we could have in this forum.

And I end with a paraphrase of Bono from 1987:

There's two sides to this story, and frankly, I'm sick of both of them.

NO MORE to war in the world and in our hearts.
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I know the feeling sarit! Sometimes I'm so exasperated with politics as a whole I could scream! Thanks for sharing the poem!
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:20 PM   #14
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I have to agree with Klaus and others here who dont' like the wall, Wanderer. Yes, by all means, build a wall if that must be, and perhaps it must, but have it within '67 boarders.

Bonus points for the Star Wars quote though

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The United Nations is the biggest hive of scum and villainy on the planet,


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The United Nations is the biggest hive of scum and villainy on the planet
Yes, presumably that is why we hear this "UN resolutions" speeches over and over and over again. Scum and villainy, except when you've got resolutions they passed that you want to enforce. Then it's a priority the world get together and do so and anyone who doesn't respect the resolutions is a terrorist sympathizer. Talk a little out of this side of your mouth, a little out of that.
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