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Old 07-25-2004, 03:37 PM   #226
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Don't know if this site has been posted already, but it's been mentioned by Slate as more accurate than the government's count and nonpartisan. I think it also tracks the wounded:

http://icasualties.org/oif/
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Old 08-09-2004, 07:27 PM   #227
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I didn't want to start a new thread soooo...
This starts off as a negative article on the DOD, but I loved the remarkable work being done by veterans and veterans wives to assist the severely wounded, so please don't attack me for the beginning.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6652.htm

At Walter Reed, most often the first stop in the United States for soldiers in need of extensive medical treatment, VA social workers have been meeting with injured soldiers and their families about healthcare benefits since last summer.

"This is really a new idea. Before, we would wait for new veterans to knock on our door. Now we are going out to find them," said Xiomara Telfer, one of the social workers who is spending time with patients at Walter Reed.

But the VA program is still small — a handful of social workers at Walter Reed and a few Army medical centers. Telfer and others say that, judging by their experiences, problems with delayed paychecks, confusion about benefits and entitlements are rife.

"There are holes we are trying to plug," said Dr. Michael J. Kussman, acting deputy under secretary for health for the veterans health administration of the VA. "The flow of information from the Department of Defense to the VA is something that both agencies are working hard on improving. We're trying to raise the bar."

The VA has not allocated any money for the effort; the social workers it has assigned were already on staff. The Army's program — called the Disabled Soldier Support System — is run by fewer than 10 people on a budget of $1 million this fiscal year.

It was born when Gen. George W. Casey Jr., then the Army's vice chief of staff, visited recovering soldiers at Walter Reed and was struck by their anxiety and confusion about what lay ahead. Since it was started last fall, the program's small staff has been able to reach out to nearly 200 severely wounded soldiers.

Crammed into a crowded office suite in Rosslyn, Va., staff members spend much of their time struggling to locate wounded soldiers who have been discharged.

The Army doesn't keep track of their addresses, and the Veterans Administration doesn't keep track of their disability status in a way that would help pinpoint those most in need. To fill in the gaps, employees have gotten creative — combing through newspaper articles and databases to locate the most seriously wounded former soldiers and get them help.

Working under banners that say "Army Families Are Special," and "We Love Our Troops," two women, both wives of soldiers, take 60 calls a day from wounded soldiers seeking help. One spent four months unraveling a problem that had prevented a soldier who lost a limb in the war from getting paid for six months.

Another got a former soldier who lost both legs and his sight into Braille classes. The young man had been sitting at home since getting out of the hospital, depressed and confused. Now he is working with the VA to build a home that meets his physical needs.

"We really pushed ourselves into this guy's life. We knew he needed help," said Col. Jacqueline E. Cumbo, director of the program. "We'll continue to follow this service member until he says, 'I no longer need your services.' This is not a one-time shot."

Flowers said he was proud of the program's initial successes but acknowledged it was only a beginning. "It is not enough," he said. "This just has to grow."
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Old 08-27-2004, 12:43 PM   #228
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A portrait of Lance Cpl. Alexander Arredondo lies on the front porch of his father, Carlos Arredondo, in Hollywood, Fla.,Thursday, Aug. 26, 2004 as part of a simple memorial to the Marine killed in Iraq . As Marine officials tried to tell his father of the death, his father became devastated and lashed out by setting the Marine's van on fire, burning himself in the process.



Names of the Dead

Published: August 27, 2004

The Department of Defense has identified 966 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. It confirmed the deaths of the following Americans yesterday:

ARREDONDO, Alexander S., 20, Lance Cpl., Marines; Randolph, Mass., First Marine Expeditionary Force.

DAVIS, Donald N., 42, Staff Sgt., Army Reserves; Saginaw, Mich.; 660th Transportation Company.

LUGO, Jacob R., 21, Lance Cpl., Marines; Flower Mound, Tex.; First Marine Division.
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Sad stuff and I do feel very sorry for the families. Let's hope the American government finally finds some sanity and brings them all home. And let's hope that the Dutch government does the same with our soldiers.
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Old 09-06-2004, 02:07 AM   #230
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Bringing all the troops home would be insanity, 1000 casualites is a sad thing but it is by no means large for a millitary operation of this magnitude over this period of time. Finish the mission and their deaths will have been for a purpose, not just wasted.
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I have to agree with a_wanderer here.
Once the war in iraq started there was no easy exit-option left.
If the US would leave Iraq now chances are high that people like al sadr would take over the country and we would see something rising like the post-shah iran.
And we all know how difficult and time intensive it is for that country to make his steps into a democratic direction
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Oh, if we pulled the troops out of Iraq right now, there would be a theocracy there in a month. God knows what would happen in the Sunni triangle as they would oppose an al-Sadr political bid. These people do not want a Shi'ite theocracy, and they'd really fight it.
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Please take debates to another thread.

This thread has been reserved for commemoration of lives lost in the war, and only that.

Thank you.
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A US army captain quoted by Associated Press says said the American soldier was killed by small arms fire when militants attacked troops carrying out routine patrols in Sadr City.

Separate roadside bombs a day earlier killed three American soldiers in Baghdad, the US military said on Tuesday.

A fourth soldier died in a blast near Mosul in a blast on the same day.

The attacks bring the number of Americans killed in Iraq in the last 24 hours to 11.
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Oops, sorry, pax, I fd up big time. I plead major concentration lapse.
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The Associated Press
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - As U.S. forces again battled insurgents loyal to Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, U.S. military deaths in the Iraq campaign passed 1,000 on Tuesday, according to an Associated Press tally.

The grim milestone was surpassed after a spike in fighting that has killed 14 U.S. service members in the past two days.

Two soldiers died in fighting Tuesday with militiamen loyal to al-Sadr in the Baghdad slum of Sadr City in clashes that killed at least 36 people and wounded 203 others, U.S. and Iraqi authorities said.

Five other Americans died Tuesday in separate attacks, most of them in the Baghdad area, bringing the U.S. death toll from the past two days to 13.

Since the war began in March of last year, 998 U.S. troops and three civilian contractors have been killed while working for the Defense Department. The tally was compiled by the AP based on Defense Department records, the AP’s reporting from Iraq and reports from soldiers’ families. The total includes deaths from hostile and non-hostile causes.
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Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:37 AM EDT

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four U.S. Marines and at least seven Iraqis were killed in overnight fighting in the city of Falluja and the surrounding al Anbar province.

The Marines, from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, were killed Friday in three separate incidents while "conducting security and stability operations," the U.S. military said
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Sunday September 26, 2004, car bombs hit U.S. troops in Fallujah.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6095119/
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And please don't forget the near 20,000 Iraqi civilians killed in this war. They are humans on the same exact level as those young men and women who've lost their lives in service. And do you think the people of the continent of Africa grieve any less for their dead, the 6,500 people who disappear every day due to AIDS? Are the 42,000 Chechen schoolchildren murdered during the First and Second Wars there any less human than the massacred Russian schoolchildren? Do their parents grieve any less for them? I am not attempting to bring politics into this thread...but please consider the thousands of people dying every day in silence, whose names we'll never know. Because (yes, I'm using a Bono stock-quote) if we really valued human life equally throughout the world, this thread would be so long, we'd all commit suicide. So many people die everyday. I do agree it's sad that these young lives are being wasted so needlessly, though.
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And please don't forget the near 20,000 Iraqi civilians killed in this war. They are humans on the same exact level as those young men and women who've lost their lives in service. And do you think the people of the continent of Africa grieve any less for their dead, the 6,500 people who disappear every day due to AIDS? Are the 42,000 Chechen schoolchildren murdered during the First and Second Wars there any less human than the massacred Russian schoolchildren? Do their parents grieve any less for them? I am not attempting to bring politics into this thread...but please consider the thousands of people dying every day in silence, whose names we'll never know. Because (yes, I'm using a Bono stock-quote) if we really valued human life equally throughout the world, this thread would be so long, we'd all commit suicide. So many people die everyday. I do agree it's sad that these young lives are being wasted so needlessly, though.
This thread is RESERVED specifically for the men and women of the United States military who have been killed in the war. It is a thread to honor their service!

This is not a thread for politics or other global disasters. It is not a thread for your thoughts on the war, or whether you think someone's life has been wasted or not. It is a thread to honor the men and women of the military who have been killed in the war!

There are other threads that discuss politics and the issues you brought up, or you can start your own thread.
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