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Old 08-24-2003, 05:47 PM   #1
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"The Ten Commandments" some are pretty good. Law of the land? What do you think?

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


I was raised with the King James Version. I don't know what version I posted. I found it here,<---

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Are any of these incorporated into our/ your legal system?


Should all of them be?
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Well, killing and stealing are illegal in just about all countries, whatever their religious tradition is. Adultery? Uh, depends on how you define it. Keeping the Sabbath? That's strictly a religious commandment, not a secular commandment. It's originally a Jewish practice and *is* the law of the land in Israel, which is by definition a Jewish state. The U.S. is a secular state; we don't have a state religion, so no, I'm against Sabbath laws. In my state they require businesses to close on Sunday. I don't like this but hey, religious conservatives run my state. Still, as a group of religious conservatives, the Seventh-Day Adventists, keep Saturday as their sabbath it's worth examining these laws. I don't think they're fair. (I have SDA relatives and they are very nice). Honoring your parents? In some countries respect for elders is a tradition because they've been there, done that, have the experience, and can give good advice. The U.S. is a youth-oriented culture and ageism is a problem, so we've got the opposite trend going here. It'd be great if we could stop some of the evils of ageism.
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its a youth oriented culture but its kinda funny to see where the money comes from! mommy daddy..... honoring your parents should not be forgotten..
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Unfortunately, this type of question does not promote an understanding of the Commandments or a desire to follow them. Writing them into our legal system is no better than any other law we have on the books. They must be written on your heart.
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This has nothing to do with how I feel about the 10 commandments themselves, this has to do with whether or not one want's a fanatic making decisions on ones case. If he is allowed to continue, what will be next.. do you believe in the 10 commandments.. well sir, I don't know.. Judge Moore, well then I sentence you to 5 years to study them.
Even though he's been suspended, people like him have the ability to abuse the power they have been given. It's going to take a few more years but there are alot of progressive people in this state and I have alot of hope.
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I grew up in a time when Sunday was not only a religious day for my family, but it was THE day of the week you could always count on to have TOGETHER. I almost wish the laws were still on the books because it definitely was the day of the week that I could count on for spending time with my father. I understand that it had religious beginnings, but I almost wonder if as a state/nation we would be better off having that ONE day a week to be with our families. No one is forcing you to go to church, but we have become so economically driven, and so reactionary to things that are percieved to be a threat do to their religious origions, that through trying to completely irradicate anything perceived to be religious we are doing more harm than good.

As to the Ten Commandments in the Court, I am disappointed with the ruling. It is foolishness. I bet that if Hammurabi's Code of Laws was etched on a tablet there, no one would have said a thing about it.
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Perhaps the ruling itself wasn't good. It's Roy Moore who bugs me.
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"Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery; you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this saying, (namely) 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no evil to the neighbor; hence, love is the fulfillment of the law." -- Romans 13:8-10

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"Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery; you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this saying, (namely) 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no evil to the neighbor; hence, love is the fulfillment of the law." -- Romans 13:8-10

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Thanks for posting that. One of my favorites.
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Read closely: The Ten Commandments reflect a primitive worldview.

By Alan Dershowitz
Alan Dershowitz is a law professor at Harvard University.

September 14, 2003

During the debate over removing a 2-ton monument featuring the Ten Commandments from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court, it has been repeatedly asserted that "America was built on the principles of the Ten Commandments" and that our system of government is based on the Decalogue. The opposite is much closer to the historical truth. As Thomas Jefferson --who rejected the divine origin of the Ten Commandments and found them to be "defective and doubtful" --recognized, our nation was founded on a rejection of much of what is in the actual content of the commandments.

Most Americans are unaware of what is included in the nearly 300 words that make up the Ten Commandments as set out in Exodus and Deuteronomy and translated in the King James (and other) versions of the Bible. They know only the CliffsNotes version: "Thou shalt not kill" (or "murder," depending on which translation one accepts); "Thou shalt not commit adultery," which, in its time applied only to married women, not married men, who were free to have sex with unmarried women; and "Thou shalt not steal" or "bear false witness."

In theory at least, all civilized societies recognize those ancient principles, which aren't original to Mosaic law. They are based on earlier laws, such as the Code of Hammurabi and the Code of Lipit-Ishtar. Can it be said then that the United States is based on pagan codes?

The complete text of the Ten Commandments, regardless of the translation, is much more controversial. It includes God's assertion that he is "a jealous God" and his threat to visit "the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation" --that is, to punish children, grandchildren and even great-grandchildren for the sins of their ancestors.

Can anything be more un-American? Jefferson agreed with Thomas Paine that this commandment is "contrary to every principle of moral judgment." As my 13-year-old daughter has observed, how can a child be expected to "honor thy father and thy mother" if her evil parents are responsible for punishment she and her innocent children and grandchildren will suffer? The principle of intergenerational collective accountability is particularly unsuited to a nation that proclaimed itself a land of individual opportunity and rejected the European tradition of class based on parentage.

Nor does the U.S. accept the notion of having "no other gods" except the Judeo-Christian god. We have always welcomed people who have other gods, or no god. And we constantly take God's name in vain by invoking it at sporting events, on our money, in political campaigns and with all-American curses.

The full text of the commandments seems to accept slavery, given that in the original Hebrew it condemns coveting your neighbor's "slave" --usually mistranslated as "servant" or "manservant." Moreover, coveting is as American as apple pie. Our entire market system encourages us to covet our neighbor's wealth.

The commandments also provide for a day of rest for "thy slave." And speaking of a day of rest, the commandments are unambiguous about which day is mandated, as well as the reason for it: It is the "seventh day" --Saturday --because God "rested the seventh day." It is not Sunday, the day selected centuries later by Christians because it is the day on which Jesus was resurrected. That choice was rejected by Jews and Seventh-day Adventists, while Muslims selected Friday as their day of rest.

Finally, there is the prohibition of "graven images" --a phrase that seems to describe the large monument in Alabama before which so many people have prostrated themselves in recent weeks.

So what is so American about the Ten Commandments? Nothing, I submit. The rules we accept actually precede the Ten Commandments and are accepted by all civilized nations. The remaining provisions --which call for punishing children for the sins of parents, acknowledge slavery, mark Saturday as the exclusive day of rest and were read as exempting married men from the prohibition against adultery --the United States has generally rejected.

Not only do the Ten Commandments not belong in public courthouses or classrooms, they do not even belong --at least without some amendments and explanatory footnotes --in the hearts and minds of contemporary Americans.
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Too bad the legal mind of Dershowitz would use such a tired secular interpretation of God's Word
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they do not even belong --at least without some amendments and explanatory footnotes --in the hearts and minds of contemporary Americans.

That's sad..but then again, it makes it easier to defend murderers, rapists etc when you just keep that commandment, morality type of stuff out of your mind..
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Are any of these incorporated into our/ your legal system?


Should all of them be?
That wasn't the intension of the 10 Commandments. If you look at the bible the 10 commandments are not even the way to earn eternal life (Romans 3:22-4:28).
The message was "If you love god you'll follow these commandments" (

So change the commandments into local laws isn't heplful from the christian point of view.

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It isn't helpful for purposes of salvation, but it opens our eyes to what is right and wrong in God's eyes.
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I was of course only referring to Dershowitz in my previous post

I hope I didn't offend you nbcrusader, I seem to recall you might be a lawyer
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