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Old 09-15-2003, 12:46 PM   #16
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No offense taken.

As a lawyer, I find many of my brethren have principles as long as there is $$$ and prestige to go with it.
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Dershowitz is correct, if only that he captures the belief system of many of our Founding Fathers. Democracy, in general, is antithetical to religion, which runs off of autocratic sets of laws that leave no room for nuance.

We are better off remembering the secular humanist values that founded this nation, which, at least in theory, establish core goals of tolerance and freedom for people of all belief systems. Morality, as we can see even amongst differing Christian denominations, is variable, and if we think that becoming a "religious nation" will make us more peaceful...well, all you have to do is look at nations like Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iran to see that you'll either get embroiled in conflict or have your freedoms severely curtailed to conform to the ruling entity's value set...which may not even be close to your own. Place the Ten Commandments in your home, if you wish, but keep them out of the public.

"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God."

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For comparison, here are the Yamas and the Niyamas (Do's and Don'ts) taught in yoga:

Yamas

Ahimsa - Do no harm
Satya - Tell no lies
Asteya - Do not steal
Brahmacharya - No unvirtuous sex
Aparigraha - No greed


Niyamas

Shauca - Be pure
Santosha - Be content
Tapas - Be disciplined
Svadhyaya - Be studious
Ishvara-Pranidhana - Be devoted

These are just general translations, and each one has many applications. I find them to be much more meaningful in my everyday life than the ten commandments. They also seem to guide me spiritually in a more positive way. Just thought I'd put them out there for comparison.
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We are better off remembering the secular humanist values that founded this nation
My guess is that reality lies somewhere between this statement and the "romanticized" notion that the founding fathers intended on creating a Christian nation.
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Well if you disown Gods Commandments then you basicly disown God. When you start to disown God then don't expect him to keep saving you from your perils.

If you curse your own father and say that you never want to see him again...what do expect him to do for you??

I'm worried about where American culture is going these days...
God does'nt seem to be a part of it.
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If you curse your own father and say that you never want to see him again...what do expect him to do for you??
There are several stories in the new testament that show that God is much more forgiving than we think - and he would like to se us being more forgiving too
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Good point Klaus

Therefore tell the people: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Return to me,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'and I will return to you,' says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 1:3
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Well if you disown Gods Commandments then you basicly disown God. When you start to disown God then don't expect him to keep saving you from your perils.

If you curse your own father and say that you never want to see him again...what do expect him to do for you??

I'm worried about where American culture is going these days...
God does'nt seem to be a part of it.
So now we're disown them because we believe in Separation of Church and state? You're right, I am worried about American culture these days too.
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I wish we'd burn the Old Testament, because the New Testament always seems to be grossly ignored.

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Most people I've met have never read the Old Testament.

Besides, I thought you would burn everything but Romans 13:9-10
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I wish we'd burn the Old Testament, because the New Testament always seems to be grossly ignored.

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How very anti-semitic of you.

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Most people I've met have never read the Old Testament.

Besides, I thought you would burn everything but Romans 13:9-10
If the Bible was lost and people had an ounce of intellect left in them, Romans 13:9-10 is all that they would need.

On the contrary, it seems that all Christians care about is the Old Testament, probably because it melds the right amount of fearmongering and stoicism. A perfect combination of sadomasochism.

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How very anti-semitic of you.
Oh please. Both conservative and reform Judaism essentially regards the Old Testament as "archaic," as the former prefers the post-Biblical writings of the Talmud, while the latter doesn't particularly care about either. The loud minority of Orthodox Judaism is what keeps it going.

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Oh I know quite a bit about it, and I realize what you say is true. But people still keep holy days from the old testament and hold many of longstanding beliefs which come from it's pages. To say to burn it is callous and offensive to those people.

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On the contrary, it seems that all Christians care about is the Old Testament, probably because it melds the right amount of fearmongering and stoicism. A perfect combination of sadomasochism.

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I would be surprised if a majority of those who identify themselves as Christian could name half the books of the Old Testament or even know half of the Ten Commandments.

I do, however, understand where you are coming from.

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