The Tea Party - Page 67 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-28-2010, 06:45 PM   #991
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 19,270
Local Time: 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
The only one of those that could be reasonably reduced is defense, and I think we can be pretty damn certain that most Tea Party followers don't want significant reductions in defense spending.
Course not. 'Cause we gotta go over there and FIGHT THEM! Whoever they are. And regardless of what they may or may not have done to us. But who cares, they're all evil people and must be dealt with!!!!!

Nobody is disagreeing that government abuses and wastes money. Absolutely, they sure do, and any abuse and waste they engage in must be stopped. But there are much better ways to stop it and fight it than what the Tea Party is doing.

Angela
__________________

__________________
Moonlit_Angel is online now  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:01 PM   #992
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
first, Harry Reid is going to win, because the woman he's running against is a lunatic.

but please explain this:



could you please tell me your plan for the following:

1. paving roads
2. policing the streets
3. responding to house fires
4. educating children
5. making sure the elderly don't die in poverty like they did before social security and medicare

and that's just a grab bag.

i'm fairly certain that no one actually wants to go back to that kind of brutal 19th-century society.

you also mentioned loans. have you heard of the phrase "predatory lending"? do the banks not bear some responsibility for literally preying upon vulnerable people and selling them mortgages and then cranking up their ARM's? it's quite convenient to blame Freddie and Fannie when the real chicanery happened on Wall Street.

what strikes me most about the above post is that you seem to feel as if you're getting a raw deal. that you've been screwed over. and that someone else has walked away with a $400 bottle of wine. what's sad is you seem to think the person with the wine is the mother who's house has been foreclosed on, or the guy who's been out of work for 18 months and may never be employed again, or the 40m people who can't afford health insurance. you are blaming the most vulnerable people in our society when you've actually been screwed by the most powerful.

where were you in 2000-2008 when the GOP and Bush spent like drunken sailors? were you marching on washington then talking about being fiscally responsible? or is it only now, with a president who believes that government has a responsibility to help the most vulnerable citizens of society, that all this spending suddenly becomes a problem? are you angry about farm subsidies? how about the huge leap in entitlements under Bush? the refusal of the GOP to cut Medicare? are you ready to cut defense? do you actually think that lowering taxes is fiscally responsible? are you protesting the trillion-dollar nation building efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan? do you realize that only this would *actually* cut into spending and not all these relatively trivial spending "cuts" about "pork" and "waste" that amounts to nothing compared to a decade-long war in a country that bankrupted both the British and the Russians?

i live in DC. i saw them riding on our (tax-payer subsidized and totally socialist and intended to help poor people move around a city) Metro system. and they looked more like people feeling displaced by a changing culture than by people with any sort of coherent message to send anyone in DC.
" live in DC. i saw them riding on our (tax-payer subsidized and totally socialist and intended to help poor people move around a city) Metro system. "

Well, everyone with me and everyone I saw bought a ticket.

Let me be clear. I never said I was in the Tea Party, I am not. I went to an event so I could personally see who they were. Big Difference . Please don't say one side has crazy signs, and I have also been to Pittsburg for instance, and watch them smash windows, set fires and have crazy signs. Is it right for one but not another ? I dont see you mention the people in Toronto right now. Is that civil? signs are better than firebombs aren't they?

"where were you in 2000-2008 when the GOP and Bush spent like drunken sailors? were you marching on washington then talking about being fiscally responsible? or is it only now," I was screaming and yelling at every politician I could get a hold of telling them to quit spending money like drunken sailors.

" with a president who believes that government has a responsibility to help the most vulnerable citizens of society, that all this spending suddenly becomes a problem?"

The Presidents responsiblity is to uphold the Constitution .. Period. if he doesn't like the Constitution, or did not want to uphold it, he should not have taken the job. Or, as he dearly wants to, make it into what he thinks it should be. If that is so, there is a process to change it, and he can do that until he changes it, or the States reject it. Until then, his Oath of office was to defend and uphold the Consitution. Period.

Those are the rules he agreed to when he took the oath of office. He swore to do so.

Unforunately, nowhere in the Constitution does it say healthcare is a right . No where. No where does it say " we shall by you a house" No where does it say, we shall provide you and income or owe you food. If it does, and i am looking at a copy of it right now, I dont see it. If the President and Congress want to change the Constitution, once again there is a process to do that .

I have been sitting in a room or my office for 3 straight days, for a very young kid who was shot. I will not charge him, and his parents feel better with me here, so I am. I dont have to be , but I care. There are 100's of thousands of me, and in other fields millions. Americans have always taken care of their own, more than any country on this planet. How much did we send to haiti and the Tsunami people? billions? Yet, in Hati, during the earth quake, Sean Penn had to go to washngton to BEG the Government for drugs to help stop the spread of disease. typhoid, Diphtheria, meningitis etc, and the Military and Government relief workers had the drugs. he BEGGED the congress to order the military to get these drugs ut in the field. It took days and many, many died. We could have had them out in hours. WE could have done a bettery job of the Government and military, although I do give them great credit for many things.

You have any outrage about that?

"are you angry about farm subsidies?" don't agree with them no.This is a a target of the tea party, repeal of farm subs. So you share a common goal of the tea party .

As far as entitlements, the tea party is not a republican party. If anything it would be more libertarian . BOTH parties have been borrowing against SS when it had a surplus. They need to put the money back. That money came from peoples paychecks . Quite frankly, I would rather invest it myself. I could do a better job than my Government.

Do you believe we should bail out union pension funds? I dont . The people running them have been stealing from their members for years . Shouldn't Andy go to jail? Or should the taxpayers bail them out? interested in this answer.

lower taxes is PROVEN to create investments. Clinton did it for capatial gains and look at the economy fly. High taxes at low or flat line growth is a death sentence. People will invest in business somewhere else. we are seing that left and right .

Iraq- George Bush SR stopped from entering Bahgdad for a reason. He knew there would be this power vacum. it is why he didnt go.

Jr, decides to go after them . That country has lived with a strong leader for 1,000's of years. it is what they knew, and kept them from killing each other.

But , Our Soldiers fought hard and sacrificed, and the iraqi people have some measure of freedom. What they do with it is up to them. Someone said somewhere in another thread, if we decide to go to war, they should go all out" i agree with that.

dnt Obama promise to have them home by now? Is Gitmo closed? First thing he did after taking that constitution oath thing. why is it still open? Different view when you get to see all the papers.

Afghan same thing lived that way thousands of years. Iran would be the thing. Is Obama going to go have Beers with them and sweet talk thim out of the Bomb? No. The second they can launch one, it is going nd we are in another war. he should hit them now.

yes, I understands Regans strategy to outspend the Russians in defense to collapse the USSR. it worked.

I am sorry, there isn't one country who has, or can meet the needs of everyone. if you think there are, can you name them? I am watching the ones that tried, fall apart as we speak.

There is some PERSONAL Responsiblity that comes with life. Don't you think? I do.
__________________

__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:07 PM   #993
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel View Post
Course not. 'Cause we gotta go over there and FIGHT THEM! Whoever they are. And regardless of what they may or may not have done to us. But who cares, they're all evil people and must be dealt with!!!!!

Nobody is disagreeing that government abuses and wastes money. Absolutely, they sure do, and any abuse and waste they engage in must be stopped. But there are much better ways to stop it and fight it than what the Tea Party is doing.

Angela
. paving roads
2. policing the streets
3. responding to house fires
4. educating children

First 4 are the responsiblity of the states . Why is Obama closing all the great charter schools in DC ? UNIONS

Belgum has a great school system everyone gets a voucher, and all the schools are for profit. if they are no good , they go out of business. They compete for the best teachers, so teachers get a raise if they are good.

Unions are killing the teachers. Most of them will tell you that. The good ones will. yu have other teachers, just riding along, because the unions protect the bad ones. which wold you rather see your child learn from? someone who doesnt give a ____ or one, who is engaged and interested?



5. making sure the elderly don't die in poverty like they did before social security and medicare

Pick a daate in 40 years and allow them to invest for themselves. Pay back the stolen money first.

Harry r isnt doing so well. better send him some bucks, ofr stuff the ballot. He is done, be it Bozo the clown or the tea party lady. they dont care. anyone but him.
__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:09 PM   #994
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel View Post
Course not. 'Cause we gotta go over there and FIGHT THEM! Whoever they are. And regardless of what they may or may not have done to us. But who cares, they're all evil people and must be dealt with!!!!!

Nobody is disagreeing that government abuses and wastes money. Absolutely, they sure do, and any abuse and waste they engage in must be stopped. But there are much better ways to stop it and fight it than what the Tea Party is doing.

Angela
. making sure the elderly don't die in poverty like they did before social security and medicare forgot something about this one. healthcare. grandma isnt going to get the meds and treatments she needs when she hits 63. This is where the choice time comes... and it will come. It won't be her that decides.
__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:12 PM   #995
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel View Post
Course not. 'Cause we gotta go over there and FIGHT THEM! Whoever they are. And regardless of what they may or may not have done to us. But who cares, they're all evil people and must be dealt with!!!!!

Nobody is disagreeing that government abuses and wastes money. Absolutely, they sure do, and any abuse and waste they engage in must be stopped. But there are much better ways to stop it and fight it than what the Tea Party is doing.

Angela
Nobody is disagreeing that government abuses and wastes money. Absolutely, they sure do, and any abuse and waste they engage in must be stopped. But there are much better ways to stop it and fight it than what the Tea Party is doing.


What are they doing? saying no to taxes and siging God Bless America?

Voting obvious crooks out of office no matter who they are ? Thats bad?

What is it they are doing?
__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:15 PM   #996
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,685
Local Time: 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benji2112 View Post

There is some PERSONAL Responsiblity that comes with life. Don't you think? I do.
Of course and no one is suggesting otherwise.

But you do realize some just cannot work, either life never gave them the opportunity no matter how hard they tried or aren't physically capable to take "personal responsibility". Don't you realize that? I do.

When a 14 year old is left to raise her two younger siblings in poverty it's almost impossible to get yourself out of that cycle. Children, elderly, the sick...

Being someone that knows the medical field you realize that there are many that can't afford their healthcare, even those that do have jobs, you do realize that pharma and insurance companies have caused rates to skyrocket, and that preventative health would save the poor from very preventable diseases, you do realize that LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is part of the backbone of our country? Right, you do realize that, don't you? I do.
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:16 PM   #997
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,886
Local Time: 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benji2112 View Post
What are they doing?
Following the lead of the uninformed without questioning them.
__________________
PhilsFan is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:26 PM   #998
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benji2112;6819170[B

What are they doing? saying no to taxes and siging God Bless America?

Voting obvious crooks out of office no matter who they are ? Thats bad?

What is it they are doing?
[/B]

They are ill-informed, vaguely racist, very frightened people who don't understand how government works and who are terrified by the changes in government and society that they also don't understand. They make heroes out of stupid people and shout down dissent in the name of patriotism. They are more than willing to vote for whomever is pandering to them at the moment without stopping to consider exactly who those candidates are. They only want to stop new taxes when they don't like the beneficiaries of those new taxes. They were fine with "big government" when they liked what it was doing and who it was killing.

So no, I don't like them and their ridiculous, dangerous movement. They favor the stupid.

None of your poorly worded, vague defenses of these people are very convincing. You like to take umbrage at our incredulity, all the time insisting that you aren't one of them, but I'm not convinced at all. Until you get specific and offer real alternatives to the Tea Party idiocy, you will continue to have trouble convincing people that you have anything credible to say.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:42 PM   #999
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Strong Badia
Posts: 3,430
Local Time: 02:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martha View Post
They are ill-informed, vaguely racist
This seems a rather convenient brush to tar people with, isn't it? Do you have specific substantiation for this claim? Or is it just another "Well, you know how they are" insinuation?

Quote:
very frightened people who don't understand how government works
I'm not sure that's accurate. Not agreeing with what the government is doing is very different from not understanding how it works.

Quote:
They ... shout down dissent in the name of patriotism.
Actually, it seems like they are shouting dissent in the name of patriotism. Which isn't that far off from what the Left was doing two years ago.

Quote:
Until you get specific and offer real alternatives to the Tea Party idiocy, you will continue to have trouble convincing people that you have anything credible to say.
In the thread about the AZ bill, I notice a lack of substantive alternatives being offered. So why should this poster?

I don't know an awful lot about the Tea Party -- I don't roll with anyone from their ranks -- but I'm a bit tired of the mindset that belittles anyone who disagrees with you for being frightened, small-minded bigots. It's an easy charge to lob, but it has far less basis in reality than we'd like. It conveniently does away with having to engage people who think differently, and it's one of the real obstacles to actual genuine political change.
__________________
nathan1977 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:49 PM   #1000
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
Following the lead of the uninformed without questioning them.
TY.. yes Maybe. I always said that the danger of the tea party was that they become the very thing they fight .I have seen that in some .
That danger is very real.

there are 3 things i actually agree with Glenn beck on, it was a clip of a show. He said " anyone, as pure as they may be, gets inside of washington, and the whole system, Lobbyist, lawyers, business interests etc, and this would include the middle level gov worker ( who has more power than we think ) infects them like a virus. see the most honest of person, is going to walk out of there a much different man . I could see that .

Bt I do agree there is an inherent danger of the Tea party to become part of the power structure. For the most part, havent seen it, but in local groups, well we all have pushy neighbors.


There are not there yet. The majority that I saw were very nice, normal people.

i don't know, but we cant afford socialism, and we can't create the uptopian society. Beatles even rejected that Agenda 21 if it had been written by someone else, maybe ..so what?

Obama, in MY OPINION isnt it. he showed his hands too quickly. he is not experienced anough and it shows ( I read 68 pages on the obama speech, so dont attack)

we have problems, but the biggest one is we have drawn lines when we all need to sit down and find a middle.

I dont know about anyone else, but I am sick of the hate and anger that is being promoted , by not so much the people, but down to the people.

It's like we all have the crips and bloods hankies on. someone is stiring that pot. I dont like it.

But who is the informed? I am not sure who that is. We are informed would be best.
__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 07:57 PM   #1001
Acrobat
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 459
Local Time: 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
This seems a rather convenient brush to tar people with, isn't it? Do you have specific substantiation for this claim? Or is it just another "Well, you know how they are" insinuation?



I'm not sure that's accurate. Not agreeing with what the government is doing is very different from not understanding how it works.



Actually, it seems like they are shouting dissent in the name of patriotism. Which isn't that far off from what the Left was doing two years ago.



In the thread about the AZ bill, I notice a lack of substantive alternatives being offered. So why should this poster?

I don't know an awful lot about the Tea Party -- I don't roll with anyone from their ranks -- but I'm a bit tired of the mindset that belittles anyone who disagrees with you for being small-minded bigots. It's an easy charge to lob, but it has far less basis in reality than we'd like. It conveniently does away with having to engage people who think differently, and it's one of the real obstacles to actual genuine political change.
Excellent Post Nathan . The midset that belittles anyone who disagress. thats exactly it. It is a divsion from the real issue or purpose at hand.

It has grown to hate in many. I dont hate anyone, and I expect no one to agree with me. It's the fact if we can't have the discussion any discussion, there is nothing left.

We are all in this together, and many with true ways and ideas, and many trying to take us down a road we may not like. There is no more important time in our history, for us to learn to talk and be civil again.

we have to.
__________________
Benji2112 is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 08:24 PM   #1002
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
This seems a rather convenient brush to tar people with, isn't it? Do you have specific substantiation for this claim? Or is it just another "Well, you know how they are" insinuation?
I don't have time to go back through the thread and look for all the posts I've already made of their stupid signs equating Obama with Hitler. If you can't remember all that then you haven't been paying attention anyway.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 08:25 PM   #1003
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benji2112 View Post
but I am sick of the hate and anger that is being promoted

Then you might want to look closer at this fringe group you think is so noble and upstanding.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 08:27 PM   #1004
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,335
Local Time: 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
but I'm a bit tired of the mindset that belittles anyone who disagrees with you for being frightened, small-minded bigots.

Birthers, homophobes, and those who think Obama is Stalin are frightened and small-minded.

When conservatives get some sensible people speaking for them again, I'll listen.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 06-28-2010, 08:34 PM   #1005
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Strong Badia
Posts: 3,430
Local Time: 02:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martha View Post
I don't have time to go back through the thread and look for all the posts I've already made of their stupid signs equating Obama with Hitler. If you can't remember all that then you haven't been paying attention anyway.
Wasn't so long ago FYMers were equating Bush with Hitler or Stalin too. So there you go.
__________________

__________________
nathan1977 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Obama General Discussion diamond Free Your Mind Archive 1009 06-28-2010 01:03 AM
Sarah Palin resigns as Governor VintagePunk Free Your Mind Archive 1005 04-05-2010 05:30 PM
Elevation Canada 8th Anniversary Party February 19th bradyvox Interference Gatherings 22 02-20-2010 05:30 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com