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Old 04-28-2010, 06:33 PM   #841
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i'm excited for the whisper campaign against tanned Charlie. should be highly entertaining. and sad.
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GOP does not care about how 'romantic' Crist, David Dreier, or Lindsey Graham are.

As long as they win their primaries and toe the party line, the GOP puts them in office.
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Either him or Meek.

Rubio will not have much of a chance. He is a right wing nut running in what will be a three way with a popular Republican/Independent Governor and an effective, moderate African American Democratic Congressman.

Florida is a perennial swing state, obviously. However, when it leans Democratic or leans Republican, it never does so to extremes.

So right wing nut Rubio in what is ultimately an extremely pragmatic state(in my experiences, anyway, I spend a lot of time there) will not do as well as people think.

Plus, foaming at the mouth, inexperienced State legislator over effective AG and Governor and effective Democratic Congressman? Who is better suited to the Senate? Who knows how deal making works? Who has the vital connections to avenues of power? These are the questions Florida voters will ask.

I highly doubt Florida will answer these questions with "Rubio." Its not an ideological state in either direction.

As for whether Obama will win in 2012 in Florida, no one knows. Impossible to determine, too much will happen between now and then.

I'd just point out that Obama got it by a much better margin than Bush did in 2004, and he won a lot of Republican leaning counties in Florida. Also, Democrats have widened their voter registration advantage in the State and much was made of many young Cubans in the Miami area breaking with their parents and grandparents and voting for Obama.
I think Meek would win before Crist
but I still say Rubio pulls it off

and yes young Cubans went for Obama
I would put them in with other independents that broke for Obama (as an anti- Bush vote)
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and yes young Cubans went for Obama
I would put them in with other independents that broke for Obama (as an anti- Bush vote)


the Cubans aren't going to like the AZ racist immigration garbage.

they are becoming aware that, in the view of the GOP, the only good immigrant was Elian Gonzales.
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Cubans don't have any immigration problems, they have special status, one dry foot and they are legal and documented

Cubans see themselves as being better than those illegal immigrants and get upset when they get mixed in with that group.



also, it looks like this FL Senate race will be fun to watch.

Any of the 3 could win. I have just got out with what I believe is the most likely outcome.

Rubio is very young, attractive and charismatic, all the baggage that regular posters in here attach to him, right-wing nut job, etc. are going to fade very fast.

They tried to stick that stuff on (Tea Party) Candidate Scott Brown. Did that work?

Rubio no longer needs to be 'right' of Crist to win a primary.

Now he will be moderate and reasonable to grab a big portion of the middle ground.

Obama is below 50% approval in FL, too.
So we have Crist and Meek competing for Obama fans and Rubio getting the 50+ per cent that disapprove of Obama?

Seriously, how many right-fringe rallies do you think Rubio will show up at after today?

Rubio has the inside track.
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all interesting points, but Crist was a very popular governor, and might have been McCain's VP pick if it weren't for the whole, well, you know ...

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I am sure there will be some polls out this week end with Crist's independent run announcement.


But Rubio looks good to pick up a good portion of the Hispanic vote

I am sure they like voting for one of their own.


Rubio Criticizes Arizona’s Immigration Law - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
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Rubio had just finished signing papers to officially become a Republican candidate for the United States Senate, speaking Spanish, then English, at an event two blocks from where he grew up. And the position he laid out seemed to reflect a tack back toward the middle after initially hardening his stance on immigration when he entered the Senate race.
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But Rubio looks good to pick up a good portion of the Hispanic vote

I am sure they like voting for one of their own.
The same way the president destroyed Hillary in the primaries, voters voting for one of their own.

90% plus.
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I am sure there will be some polls out this week end with Crist's independent run announcement.


But Rubio looks good to pick up a good portion of the Hispanic vote

I am sure they like voting for one of their own.


Rubio Criticizes Arizona’s Immigration Law - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com


i'd like to see his papers, please.
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Cubans don't have any immigration problems, they have special status, one dry foot and they are legal and documented

Cubans see themselves as being better than those illegal immigrants and get upset when they get mixed in with that group.



also, it looks like this FL Senate race will be fun to watch.

Any of the 3 could win. I have just got out with what I believe is the most likely outcome.

Rubio is very young, attractive and charismatic, all the baggage that regular posters in here attach to him, right-wing nut job, etc. are going to fade very fast.

They tried to stick that stuff on (Tea Party) Candidate Scott Brown. Did that work?

Rubio no longer needs to be 'right' of Crist to win a primary.

Now he will be moderate and reasonable to grab a big portion of the middle ground.

Obama is below 50% approval in FL, too.
So we have Crist and Meek competing for Obama fans and Rubio getting the 50+ per cent that disapprove of Obama?

Seriously, how many right-fringe rallies do you think Rubio will show up at after today?

Rubio has the inside track.
Whether Rubio continues to show up at the right fringe rallies remains to be seen.

I will caution against making the Scott Brown/Rubio analogy, as Rubio was the Tea Party candidate through and through from the beginning. Scott Brown ran far from a Tea Party campaign, he started as obscure sacrificial lamb( all Dems in the primary had a 30 point lead at least over him) and then got voters to pay attention with his independent minded, anti establishment message. The Tea Party mostly tagged along in the last week of the campaign when it became clear Brown had momentum. Brown has not hesitated to piss off the Tea Party on issues like the jobs bill, and he flat out skipped their big rally in Boston.

Bottom line, Brown never embraced the Tea Party label, but it almost defines Rubio.

I agree with you, ultimately, either of the 3 could win, but I tend to lean toward Irvine's view regarding Crist. Very popular and effective AG, then a very popular and effective Governor. He'll get close to all of the independent vote and should get a lot of Republicans who are not right wing nuts.

Meek, I think will get the Democratic base and some independents, but not a significant amount of independents. Anti incumbent year, it will be difficult for a long time Congressional Democrat seeking a promotion to pick up more than his own party.

Now for Rubio. It comes down to this. Something has got to give with regards to the far right, tin foil crowd running the Republican Party. It will begin to have serious implications for their role as the other major party in the country, especially as the economy recovers and the voter anger goes away. I think the FL senate race, a high profile race in a pragmatic state would be the most likely place to see the adults take the Republican Party back. Any sane Republican has got to understand that there is nothing but a long slide into irrelevance offered by Palin, Rubio, Cheney and the rest of the Tea Party.

Crist was the direction the GOP had to go in in 2008 to remain relevant and be taken seriously by independents. It is very telling that the Republican establishment has embraced those who have lined up against him- Gingrich, Armey, Cheney, Palin, etc. What do any of those washed up, has been, scandal ridden idiots have to offer the Republican Party? Nothing, and it shocks me that more Republicans can't see that.

Ultimately, there is a good chance Crist pulls it out, and becomes a kind of spokesperson for the silent majority of disaffected independents who know that the Tea Party is not by any means the way to go.
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Whether Rubio continues to show up at the right fringe rallies remains to be seen.

I will caution against making the Scott Brown/Rubio analogy, as Rubio was the Tea Party candidate through and through from the beginning. Scott Brown ran far from a Tea Party campaign, he started as obscure sacrificial lamb( all Dems in the primary had a 30 point lead at least over him) and then got voters to pay attention with his independent minded, anti establishment message. The Tea Party mostly tagged along in the last week of the campaign when it became clear Brown had momentum. Brown has not hesitated to piss off the Tea Party on issues like the jobs bill, and he flat out skipped their big rally in Boston.

Bottom line, Brown never embraced the Tea Party label, but it almost defines Rubio.

I agree with you, ultimately, either of the 3 could win, but I tend to lean toward Irvine's view regarding Crist. Very popular and effective AG, then a very popular and effective Governor. He'll get close to all of the independent vote and should get a lot of Republicans who are not right wing nuts.

Meek, I think will get the Democratic base and some independents, but not a significant amount of independents. Anti incumbent year, it will be difficult for a long time Congressional Democrat seeking a promotion to pick up more than his own party.

Now for Rubio. It comes down to this. Something has got to give with regards to the far right, tin foil crowd running the Republican Party. It will begin to have serious implications for their role as the other major party in the country, especially as the economy recovers and the voter anger goes away. I think the FL senate race, a high profile race in a pragmatic state would be the most likely place to see the adults take the Republican Party back. Any sane Republican has got to understand that there is nothing but a long slide into irrelevance offered by Palin, Rubio, Cheney and the rest of the Tea Party.

Crist was the direction the GOP had to go in in 2008 to remain relevant and be taken seriously by independents. It is very telling that the Republican establishment has embraced those who have lined up against him- Gingrich, Armey, Cheney, Palin, etc. What do any of those washed up, has been, scandal ridden idiots have to offer the Republican Party? Nothing, and it shocks me that more Republicans can't see that.

Ultimately, there is a good chance Crist pulls it out, and becomes a kind of spokesperson for the silent majority of disaffected independents who know that the Tea Party is not by any means the way to go.
^Totally agree.

How does the Tea Party look if Rubio rejects AZ's law? It would seem that the AZ 1070 is right in line with Tea Party beliefs.

And then there is Arizona itself. McCain vs. Hayworth? Who's the bigger Tea Bag?

(Sorry haven't been in the 1070 thread)

I think the Tea Party will need to coalesce this summer and soon, or really it will remain a barking dog that is barely relevant.
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A Rasmussen poll taken on May 3 had

Crist at 38 percent,
Rubio at 34 percent and
U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek, the leading Democratic nominee, at 17 percent.

So this is Crist's race to lose?
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I am sure the Tea Partiers are behind these death threats

Kim Kardashian - Death Threats
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Hey, man. Don't come between a fan and her favorite singing fetus.
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It's the equivalent of using the n word?


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By Jennifer Harper INSIDE THE BELTWAY

STRONG BREW

The term "tea-bagger" is like uttering the "n" word, some say. Though he aspires to promote civility, evidence has surfaced that President Obama has added "tea-bagger" to his public lexicon, though it's considered a cheap and tawdry insult by "tea party" activists. Watchdogs at Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) barked when they saw the proof, tucked in a sneak peak of Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter's new book, "The Promise: President Obama, Year One," to be released May 18. Indeed, it appears the president joined certain partisan critics and the liberal media, and took the tea-bag plunge.

"This remark is the equivalent of using the 'n' word. It shows contempt for middle America, expressed knowingly, contemptuously, on purpose, and with a smirk. It is indefensible to use this word. The president knows what it means, and his people know what it means. The public thought we reached a new low of incivility during the Clinton administration. Well, the Obama administration has just outdone them," ATR president Grover Norquist tells Inside The Beltway.

There is not always parity in these situations. There were outraged calls for Rep. Dan Burton's resignation and massive press coverage after the Indiana Republican called President Clinton a "scumbag" during the Monica Lewinsky matter in 1998.

The offending passage that started the tea-bagger shuffle? Mr. Alter wrote, "Obama said that the unanimous House vote against the Recovery Act 'set the tenor for the whole year': 'That helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.' "

Mr. Obama himself was recently ruing the contentious state of politics, noting Saturday at a college commencement speech, "We've got politicians calling each other all sorts of unflattering names. Pundits and talking heads shout at each other. The media tends to play up every hint of conflict, because it makes for a sexier story."
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