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Old 04-13-2010, 07:56 PM   #496
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Well it's not a well organized group of dishonest party crashers.

Actually, the majority in his forum look to be tp'ers themselves.

Irony? Or someone who is bored and perhaps multiple personality?
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Old 04-14-2010, 05:15 PM   #497
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Well, I guess that beats honest debate.
286, do you REALLY think the Tea Party is any better on that count? "socialist," "nazi" "non-citizen" "government takeover of health care" "death panels".....................

Yes, the counter rally guy is an idiot not interested in serious debate, and the tea party has plenty of racist, homophobic, etc, whatever people to point out without any embellishment from this guy. What he will actually help them do is gain more sympathy and support.

However, a few things about what you posted here, 286.

1.)This Tea Party guy says the following without any sense of irony? You've got to be kidding me!!

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But what a lot of work! Which leads me to believe this guy is a nobody, in between jobs, desperately seeking approval (and possibly, some tongue) from Keith Olbermann. The dope even started a web page, a Facebook page, and more than likely holds secret meetings in a tree house in his parent's backyard.
I was asked by a bunch of people at the gym tonight if I went to the Tea Party on Boston common. Well, it was the middle of the afternoon, I had to work was my response, and even if I was off, I would rather slit my wrists than listen to Sarah Palin or frankly to any of the left wing counter protesters.

I count myself as one vote for Democratic politicians to start saying what Republicans said about Vietnam era protesters- "they're out there because they don't work like the rest of the country, bunch of knuckle dragging sloths they are." Had I been alive, I would have opposed the Vietnam war, but I did not even join the tame protest movement against Iraq, never mind the largely anti military, anti cop, anti troops know nothing hippies of that era.

2.) Give me a break about The Tea Party not being a racist movement! It was one of its founding tenets, and though this article was written by a partisan, it uses verifiable facts:Tea Party Hysteria Rooted in Racism Sarah Palin Truth Squad

Anyone who thinks this movement is a grassroots, anti tax, anti big government populist movement has not been paying attention, or are they are just believing what they want to believe. The ENTIRE movement was started by a ranting lunatic on the trading floor on Wall Street worried about being regulated and about Main Street actually getting some help with the stimulus.

When you strip away all of the absurd contradictory claims, all that is left is race. No one will ever convince me that, after 8 years of record spending by Bush and Republicans, much of it unnecessary, that Obama coming in and spending on a stimulus when it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO PREVENT A DEPRESSION is the catalyst for this movement. They talk a good game about "bailouts" and "deficits" but just as surely as they can not spell, they have no idea what they are talking about on any of these issues.

Bailouts: They were all passed under Bush, and it is because of the provisions that Chris Dodd and Barney Frank inserted that there is even a payback mechanism for taxpayers in there! Paulsen literally wanted a $700 billion blank check. Bush gave the auto industry the money, Obama made some rules for them, and when they were not followed, sent 2 of them through bankruptcy. Now the money is being paid back and ownership is going back to the private sector.

Deficits: Given the stimulus' effect on the economy-it has, according to McCain's economist Mark Zandi, kept us from sliding into a Depression, restored real growth faster than expected and led to less job losses every month since it was passed. We actually gained jobs in March. So $787 billion is actually more like a $300 billion addition to the deficit given where the estimates of economic/revenue conditions would have been with no stimulus. So we have a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit that Obama is responsible for $300 billion of. Come back and talk to me when someone else blows a $236 billion dollar surplus and ends up with a $1.8 trillion deficit!

How about the economy in general- some lady in the article I posted joined because her son lost her job! And the Tea Party is doing exactly what about that unfortunate situation? Did she forget the meltdown started in early 2007, we slipped into recession in late 2007, had a frightening 2008 wiping out trillions in wealth and that after any recession ends, employment takes some time to come back. Given the simple fact that it is economically impossible to have really done much better than we have since this past summer, it is hardly Obama's fault that we have 9.7% unemployment today.

This movement exists because we have a black President, no more or less to say. Just look at the signs, the "neggar" sign that the founder of the movement carried around, and also at the militia/violent/anti fed talk that has come about within the Tea Party. This group is getting downright scary if they are actually considering starting some kind of armed militia. Hello, you have a goddamn National Guard(so that covers the militia) and Obama has an F rating from gun control groups so far, so he is not coming for your guns!
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I never really do see much discussion of/acknowledgement of how this movement actually got started.

I sure as hell remember it. I was listening to a JT bootleg, I think it was from Worcester, but I digress, on a cold February 2009 day in Vermont. I looked up at the clock, panicked and realized I had class in 15 minutes. As I was reaching for my jacket, I clearly remember the voice on the TV getting louder. Then it was full throated, maniacal, Jim Cramer like screaming! This guy, a CNBC reporter, was breaking protocol and going on an editorial rant! This is rewarding irresponsibility, this is horrible, anti capitalist, creates all kinds of moral hazard, do YOU really want to pay for these idiots to get bailed out???!!!!!!!! It was this guy, Rick Santelli, and he was being cheered on by a whole floor of righteously angry, taxpayer subsidized Wall Street traders! Rick Santelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bailout this, bailout that, aren't you sick of it all. Please, if you are as sick of it as me, lets all get mad as hell and have a TEA PARTY." And the beat down, oppressed derivatives traders cheered every single word. They were going to take the power back.

Wait a minute, I said to myself. Where was this guy when these bailouts he hates so much were actually passed? Then it hit me. The timing lined up perfectly with 2 events. 1, the stimulus bill passed that week, and 2, Obama had just given his commitment in no uncertain terms that he would be pressing forward with financial regulatory reform. This was the first guy who really went on a public tirade against Obama- remember, it was his massively well received by all Democrats, Independents and 30% of Republicans honeymoon! And who was he? A grassroots anti government activist? A downtrodden, sick of taxes truck driver? A laid off mechanic? A deficit hawk? A grandfather scared about the future of America?

No, he was a Wall Street analyst, paid by the same people who caused the entire mess. He was lashing out against government efforts finally hitting Main Street in the form of a stimulus, and he was lashing out against the threat of regulatory reform. Oh, shit, better get some people out on the streets, make them look like real worker types, just like Bush did to promote his tax cuts! The Tea Party is born- whip up the idiot masses who don't like the black guy, just take every proposal, no matter that it helps Wall Street and screws Main Street, call it something scary like socialism or fascism and death panel, and there you go, the idiots will follow you hook, line and sinker!

In a way I feel bad for them, they are too stupid to know that they are a front for the same people who got us into this mess! Hey, brilliant move by Wall Street! How else to explain their opposition to bailouts while also strongly opposing a payback mechanism and common sense regulations against excessive systemic risk? They have no idea what they are for, and they think bailout supporters like Palin and The Republican Party are out there fighting for you against Wall Street!!

Please, anyone who thinks the Republican Party, or frankly the Democratic Party, is ever going to truly go to the mat for you against Wall Street is to see me immediately about buying the intracoastal water way for $1. Obama will tinker around the edges, make things a little less dangerous down on Wall Street, but if they give him a lot of shit about x or y provision, it will be gone faster than you can blink!!

These people are happy to be idiots as is evidenced by their love of dysfunctional morons like Palin and Limbaugh. Amazon.com: Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free (9780767926140): Charles P. Pierce: Books

Nixon is a big part of what is wrong and so divisive with modern politics, he was a law breaker and his policies sucked from a liberal or conservative stand point. I would not have voted for him, but 2 things are undeniable. The man is also undeniably fascinating, so I have read a fair amount about him.

1.)The man had incredible perseverance- he lost to Kennedy, then lost 2 Governor's races and ran for President again despite all this!

2.)He had incredible INTELLECT and would turn over in his grave at the thought of the Party he called home being run by know nothing tea baggers who scoff at anything that even hints of intellectualism and refuse to even discuss serious issues facing the country in good faith!
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i think the best thing possible for america is if the tea party actually breaks off and forms it's own political party, with sarah palin as it's nominee for president.

the leftovers can join up with the independents and moderate democrats, while the hardcore liberals can stay as the democratic party.

then with a true, strong moderate middle party who the majority of americans would vote for... we can slowly get rid of the nutso wackjobs on both side of the asile and actually get something done in this fucking country.


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I think that's a beautiful idea, Headache. I'd certainly go for that setup.

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before that would happen

you would get this on the GOP ticket



Bible thumpers would take a spoonful of Mitt with Sarah to wash it down
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before that would happen

you would get this on the GOP ticket



Bible thumpers would take a spoonful of Mitt with Sarah to wash it down
^Who's on top of that ticket?

As far as the Tea Party go, it would be nice to see Ron Paul take some leadership. I don't agree with him on many things, but he seems mostly reasonable.
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Hey, I'd go for that as well, that would be political suicide for the GOP.

Palin has already lost her footing with the majority of the GOP, all they would have to bring up in the campain is that she's a quitter.

Romney has very little footing with the Tea Party crowd, he's pretty much dead in the water since his plan is pretty much what the health care bill has turned out to be.

I just don't think they'd be able to balance each other enough.
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it was hilarious seeing them on the TAXPAYER FUNDED AND THEREBY SOCIALIST metro this evening.

please, just be consistent.
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I think that's a beautiful idea, Headache. I'd certainly go for that setup.

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it was hilarious seeing them on the TAXPAYER FUNDED AND THEREBY SOCIALIST metro this evening.

please, just be consistent.
Yeah, but I'm sure they hated every efficient, environmentally-friendly, affordable minute of it.
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Hey, I'd go for that as well, that would be political suicide for the GOP.

Palin has already lost her footing with the majority of the GOP, all they would have to bring up in the campain is that she's a quitter.

Romney has very little footing with the Tea Party crowd, he's pretty much dead in the water since his plan is pretty much what the health care bill has turned out to be.

I just don't think they'd be able to balance each other enough.
This is correct.

Palin and Romney are both dead issues when it comes to going on a GOP ticket that has any shot at winning.

Palin will remain prominent in the Tea Party and her reality TV show or whatever makes her the most money for the "entertainment" she provides. However, she has lost it as far as legitimate shot at winning a primary goes.

Romney is a phony and a half, a disingenuous loser who has never held an honest position in his life. The conservative base, while it has a few Romney devotees, by in large see right through him and view him as a moderate at best and a liberal at worst. I don't care about straw polls, look how he did in the 2008 Republican Primary where the ultimate winner, McCain, was far from the 1st choice of the base!
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So, there is still the Lou Dobbs factor. Does he have any potential in the Tea Party?
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