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Old 04-06-2010, 06:50 PM   #436
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as ever, charges of racism are far, far more serious than actual racism itself.

and calling Barney Frank a "faggot" is just good fun.
As ever, two favorite straw men. The race card and sexuality
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I would LOOOOOVE to see this real poll.

I live in the land of conservatives and that number wouldn't even be that high...
here you go

Tea Party 48% Obama 44% - Rasmussen Reports�

this is not a surprise to me at all, in this place there is a lot of group think, consensus,
out there in the real world things are not as simple.

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If those figures are correct, then it has some more sway and also might explain any conservative politician's reluctance to distance himself from it. Would love to know what exactly are these major issues, besides taxes obviously, and how much they differ.
in this forum these people have all been painted with the same brush, the wacko extremist brush

elections are won in this country by getting the independent, non-aligned voters, there is a reason they call them swing voters
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here you go

Tea Party 48% Obama 44% - Rasmussen Reports�

this is not a surprise to me at all, in this place there is a lot of group think, consensus,
out there in the real world things are not as simple.

I meant the actual poll. What the questions actually were, how were they worded, was it over the phone, who were these thousand people.

Like I said, I live in TX where I would think a higher number would align themselves with the tea party, higher than most states, and the numbers still wouldn't be that high here...
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If those figures are correct, then it has some more sway and also might explain any conservative politician's reluctance to distance himself from it.
Some of these folks used to be called the Silent Majority in this country. Getting louder now.
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Do a little digging, you should be able to find it.

Most would not call themselves a member of the Tea Party, sure.

This is not about aligning oneself with a party,

The question was about views or something like that.

What do most perceive as the issues of the Tea Party?

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Like all Americans, most Tea Party members said the economy is the most important political issue, but 21 percent -- twice as many as Americans overall -- named the national deficit and national spending as their top issue. Eighty-five percent of Tea Party members polled in January said tax cuts for small businesses would create more jobs than government spending on infrastructure, while 61 percent of Americans overall preferred tax cuts.
Tea Party: 4 in 10 are Dems, Independents, Survey Says - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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But, what do most perceive as the issues of the Tea Party?
Well maybe this is where the problem lies. I don't even think the Tea Party really knows the issues of it's platform.
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Like I said, I live in TX where I would think a higher number would align themselves with the tea party, higher than most states, and the numbers still wouldn't be that high here...

Really?

What did / does your Governor's race indicate, that more people in Texas are in line with Obama's agenda or the Tea Party issues?
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Now, I'm on my way to a Tea Party. I'll report back on all the racist remarks I hear and the tally of Obama mustaches I see...
Please give us a count of the signs equating Stalin and Hitler and Obama. Because those are at T. P. rallies whether you like to think so or not.
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Really?

What did / does your Governor's race indicate, that more people in Texas are in line with Obama's agenda or the Tea Party issues?
This is my point about the poll, is ^^^ this how it was worded? If that's the case then it probably is that high, and it's a crap poll.

You're not listening to me, most here do not believe Republican = Tea Party. Our Tea Party percentage may be high but not as high as the 48% would suggest, and I would think it's even less in other parts of the country.
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As ever, two favorite straw men. The race card and sexuality

Wow. So much for a problem with name-calling here.
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Please give us a count of the signs equating Stalin and Hitler and Obama. Because those are at T. P. rallies whether you like to think so or not.
In a crowd of 2,000, I neither saw nor heard any racial references or any mention of Hitler, so I don't accept your premise, martha.

There were even.... black people and Hispanics there!
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This is my point about the poll, is ^^^ this how it was worded? If that's the case then it probably is that high, and it's a crap poll.

You're not listening to me, most here do not believe Republican = Tea Party. Our Tea Party percentage may be high but not as high as the 48% would suggest, and I would think it's even less in other parts of the country.

I get it. and I agree that most would not call themselves a member of the Tea Party movement.

I did find one Rasmussen poll where only about 16% self identified as being a part of the Tea Party movement.

I did not call myself a member of the 'Obama Nation movement' in 2008

I did vote for him,

I do think many will vote with Tea Party issues over the current Administration

here is another poll

Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their Demographics
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In a crowd of 2,000, I neither saw nor heard any racial references or any mention of Hitler,

'Tea party' protesters in Nevada target health law, Reid - latimes.com


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"I believe that we're heading down the same road" as Stalin and Hitler, he said, adding that he did not see his sign as exaggerated
Just because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they're not there.
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In a crowd of 2,000, I neither saw nor heard any racial references or any mention of Hitler, so I don't accept your premise, martha.

There were even.... black people and Hispanics there!
It's hard to believe not one mention of Hitler since I've seen several at both rallies I've been to. And as far as the racial reference you don't have the greatest track record of admitting or recognizing racism when it's been presented to you in here in the past, so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

But I hope you had fun
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Well maybe this is where the problem lies. I don't even think the Tea Party really knows the issues of it's platform.
They just know they hate black people in positions of power, right?
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