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Old 02-07-2010, 11:10 AM   #16
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cutting all spending except Medicare and Social Security (but including military) 25% over a few years.

So you're willing to take a 25% pay cut at your job?
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So you're willing to take a 25% pay cut at your job?
My employer isn't hemorrhaging money.
My employer hasn't over promised its pension fund.
My employer won't be in need of a bailout in the very near future.
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And thinking you can spend your way out of debt makes sense?

I'd be for keeping the Bush Tax cuts for all Americans under 250K, freezing federal government hiring and cutting all spending except Medicare and Social Security (but including military) 25% over a few years.

Would you?


i'd be happy to cut the military and Medicaid as well. the repeal of DADT will save millions.

much of the spending is necessary because the economy is in trouble -- one must spend to keep people working, to enable business to continue to get credit, and to keep people in their homes.

there are things which government can and must do when faced with a crippling economic crisis. the government is not a family, it is not a business. health care reform, for example, will provide us enormous savings in the long run, and spending on infrastructure, green energy, high speed rail, and various other endeavors that will wean us off oil are also great long-term investments, and should be done now.

so i'm fine with cutting, but we need smart spending, and we need to repeal the Bush tax cuts.

and we need a gas tax.
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tax cuts when the government needs money is fiscal genius.


jesus fucking christ, republicans.
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i'd be happy to cut the military and Medicaid as well. the repeal of DADT will save millions.
Millions? You sound like an out-of-touch Dr Evil. We're need to save trillions now.
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but we need smart spending, and we need to repeal the Bush tax cuts.
Big government liberalism in a nutshell. Government knows how better to spend our money than we do. So let's just give them more and let them spend it "smartly."
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My employer isn't hemorrhaging money.
My employer hasn't over promised its pension fund.
My employer won't be in need of a bailout in the very near future.
But you're willing to cut any public employee's salary by 25%. Increasing foreclosures, decreasing consumer spending, sending more families into the pool of uninsured or underinsured, denying them affordable health care. But fuck 'em, they're just public employees, the very embodiment of all that's evil about guv'mint.

Or did I misinterpret your very vague non-specific ureg to CUT SPENDING!!1!!
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tax cuts when the government needs money is fiscal genius.


jesus fucking christ, republicans.
It worked for Saint Reagan.




Didn't it?
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Even neoclassicists such as Samuelson et al. don't see an alternative to the government stepping up during times of severe recessions, or near-depressions, but if you have alternatives to that I think the world would be grateful to hear them.
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Millions? You sound like an out-of-touch Dr Evil. We're need to save trillions now.

every little bit helps.


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Big government liberalism in a nutshell. Government knows how better to spend our money than we do. So let's just give them more and let them spend it "smartly."

yes, when it comes to saving the entire economy from the brink of a disaster not seen since the 1930s, i think the government knows more than you do or i do. this doesn't mean that there isn't enormous government waste, or that government can't be made to work better, but don't kid yourself: there are things that regular people simply do not have the organizational capacity to do. things like educating the population through 12th grade, building roads, building stealth bombers. it's absolutely silly to think that privatizing everything would somehow be better.

reflexive anti-government sentiment is simply foolish.

capitalism doesn't just happen. it's created by many, many smart people working in various sectors of the government who manage, very closely, how money is used and spent.

it's been the deregulation of government since the early 1980s that have brought us to the point of near collapse. we're in a correction. and the cycle will start all over again.
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Big government liberalism in a nutshell. Government knows how better to spend our money than we do. So let's just give them more and let them spend it "smartly."
Yes only trust government for protection, denying rights to those that are no like you, and to feeding the rich... let's plug our ears and eyes to the goings on of healthcare, infastructure, and the poor for I'm rich who cares and the other tea partiers are too stupid to realize they're shooting themselves in the foot...
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Big government liberalism in a nutshell. Government knows how better to spend our money than we do. So let's just give them more and let them spend it "smartly."
No, not us. The government knows how to spend better than our current crop of corporations do.
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look at this photo:



then look at this video:

YouTube - Sarah Palin READS CHEAT NOTES on her HAND

and then read this:

Palin Responds to ‘Run, Sarah, Run’ - NYTimes.com


and keep in mind that this was to be prepared the tough, comprehensive Q&A she was subjected to for maybe 10 minutes by a properly deferential moderator.



do you want to or ?
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I'm sorry, I have to ask. Who - or what - is a Gaylord Opryland? Is that a special version of Opryland and the Grand Ol' Opry?
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I'm sorry, I have to ask. Who - or what - is a Gaylord Opryland? Is that a special version of Opryland and the Grand Ol' Opry?
It's just the hotel/convention center near Opryland, I believe.
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Big government liberalism in a nutshell. Government knows how better to spend our money than we do. So let's just give them more and let them spend it "smartly."
When I take a look around at the general populace, I have little trouble concluding that the government knows better how to allocate funds for public use than they would. In fact, I have no trouble.
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