The Tea Party

[BVS]

Large groups that were embraced by the party? Like who?

 

[Tiger Edge]

Black people, of course.

 

[deep]

Large groups that were embraced by the party? Like who?

nothing is ever "apples to apples"

 

[ultraviolet87]

so there are no examples then...

 

[BVS]

nothing is ever "apples to apples"

I disagree

 

[deep]

when we think of us, we agree that we a broad coalition of reasonable people

when we think of them, we see all of them as the worst element in their coalition, we paint them all with one brush.

 

[deep]

I disagree

what I mean, is when ever one gives an example in here

everyone jumps on the dissimilarities of the two things compared, and amplifies them

 

[BVS]

when we think of us, we agree that we a broad coalition of reasonable people

when we think of them, we see all of them as the worst element in their coalition, we paint them all with one brush.

Well I try hard not to think about it as us vs. them, although sometimes that's impossible.

And I'll be the first to admit we have some fucking loonies on our side. But I just haven't ever seen them embraced the way the Tea Party has. I mean they have mainstream players such as Palin, the AM radio guys, Fox News, and even some Senators walking among them and speaking of them with reverence. That's just my thoughts about how this seems fairly new to me.

 

[BVS]

what I mean, is when ever one gives an example in here

everyone jumps on the dissimilarities of the two things compared, and amplifies them

I know, that post was meant to be

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

olberman is to a republican what o'reilly is to a democrat.

maddow is to a republican what hannity is to a democrat.

republicans think you're nuts to say fox news is biased.

democrats think you're nuts to say msnbc is biased.

people capable of free thought who aren't pegged down by some ideological bullshit think they're both nuts.

 

[kramwest1]

olberman is to a republican what o'reilly is to a democrat.

maddow is to a republican what hannity is to a democrat.

republicans think you're nuts to say fox news is biased.

democrats think you're nuts to say msnbc is biased.

people capable of free thought who aren't pegged down by some ideological bullshit think they're both nuts.

I agree with the Olbermann/O'Reilly/Maddow/Hannity anology, but I do think there is a difference in how they present their channels.

Fox News: Fair and Balanced

MSNBC: Your Place For Politics

^little different

 

[BVS]

I also think the big difference is that Fox listeners need Fox, more than MSNBC listeners need MSNBC

 

[Irvine511]

olberman is to a republican what o'reilly is to a democrat.

maddow is to a republican what hannity is to a democrat.

republicans think you're nuts to say fox news is biased.

democrats think you're nuts to say msnbc is biased.

people capable of free thought who aren't pegged down by some ideological bullshit think they're both nuts.

honestly, no, i don't agree.

yes, all of the above view politics as a form of entertainment, and all make decisions based upon their perceived audience and that audience's needs and desires.

but they do not use comparable tactics, nor are they in comparable parts of the political spectrum. Hannity is vastly further right than is Maddow, and the overall effect is to pull all of discourse to the right, especially when you create a foil on the other side and say that they are just the same as you. that's the overall "Fox Effect" -- that there are two sides of equal merit and you simply need to locate yourself on one side of the fence or the other.

are we really going to say that, gosh, creationism and evolution are just different opinions, and equally valid, so YOU DECIDE?

yes, people on the Right and the Left have places where they can go to get razzle-dazzle political entertainment.

but these places are not the same.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i never said they're the same... i'm saying they are percieved in the same ways depending on which side of the political spectrum you fall on.

 

[Irvine511]

i never said they're the same... i'm saying they are percieved in the same ways depending on which side of the political spectrum you fall on.

ok, that's fair.

i hope all three networks are hit by a giant meteor and are replaced with PBS.

 

[Tiger Edge]

What's the third network?

If you're talking about CNN, we got problems, son. I can't live without my Andy Coops.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

ok, that's fair.

i hope all three networks are hit by a giant meteor and are replaced with PBS.

one can only hope...

 

[kramwest1]

ok, that's fair.

i hope all three networks are hit by a giant meteor and are replaced with PBS.

And the BBC.

 

[ultraviolet87]

nooooo, i like Rachel maddow

 

[deep]

when we think of us, we agree that we a broad coalition of reasonable people

when we think of them, we see all of them as the worst element in their coalition, we paint them all with one brush.

Obama: Not All Tea Partiers "On The Fringe" -


"The "broader circle around that core group," he said, include those who "are legitimately concerned about the deficit, who are legitimately concerned that the federal government may be taking on too much." The president said the emergency measures taken by the government to help the economy, such as the auto bailout, "fed that sense that things are out of control."

"And I think those are folks who have legitimate concerns," said the president. "...And my hope is is that as we move forward and we're tackling things like the deficit, and imposing a freeze on domestic spending, and taking steps that show we're sincere about dealing with our long-term problems that some of that group will dissipate." By contrast, the "core group" that questions his legitimacy will likely never be convinced, Obama said."

 

[ultraviolet87]

well obama is wrong, because they are all right wing crazies

 

[deep]

Obama is wrong!!!
you are now are in league with the 'core' tea bag partiers.



you can still come over, and join reasonable, intelligent thinkers like myself and Obama.

 

[ultraviolet87]

no, i do not like tea baggers or frank sinatra

 

[Diemen]

failed internet sarcasm detector?

well obama is wrong, because they are all right wing crazies

I can't tell if you're saying that in jest or are actually serious.

 

[ultraviolet87]

which part??

 

[ultraviolet87]

i just found out that if i want to go to the toronto U2 show i need a passport now to get back into the usa, if thats how they want to be im tempted to stay in canada

 

[Diemen]

which part??

The part about them all being right wing crazies.

 

[ultraviolet87]

i think they might be. of course i am really really biased against the right

 

[corianderstem]

I totally never would have guessed that.

 

[ultraviolet87]

hey i am just being honest