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Old 07-09-2007, 06:30 PM   #16
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The sanctions gouging would make that option pretty unlikely.
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Empty verbiage, although the criticism is a bit duplicitous
When you have 17 year olds spouting off about how people are not WILLING TO SACRIFICE, then please, make the sacrifice yourself. How easy it is to live in some upper middle class pampered suburb and dictate to the rest of the population they should send their sons and daughters to die for this lost cause. You want to preach to the world about sacrifice, well, go and fucking sacrifice yourself.

It's really actually rather disgusting to have to read.
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Old 07-09-2007, 06:32 PM   #18
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so now you are saying that you agree that saddam hussein should be in power still?
I just don't pretend it had anything to do with 9/11.

So you can't answer the questions, huh?
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When you have 17 year olds spouting off about how people are not WILLING TO SACRIFICE, then please, make the sacrifice yourself. How easy it is to live in some upper middle class pampered suburb and dictate to the rest of the population they should send their sons and daughters to die for this lost cause. You want to preach to the world about sacrifice, well, go and fucking sacrifice yourself.

It's really actually rather disgusting to have to read.
At least he doesn't have the vote

yet
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i am a child of the revolution.

its the idea. not the soldier.^^
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For a story that goes on long after the US leaves

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/...d-children.htm
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I second that...
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i am a child of the revolution.

its the idea. not the soldier.^^
No wonder.

Your idea won't get you killed.
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We could win this war if we really wanted too, its just we don't have big enough balls to handle the sacrifices that it will cost to do that.
The great irony with that sentiment is that the very last thing the Bush administrations wants is to start making the American people sacrifice for this war. The Bush administration wants the American people to feel comfortable (hence the "go out and go shopping" sentiment after 9/11). The more comfortable and placated the American people are, the less questions they ask and the less they hold their government accountable for.

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If the war is THAT important, THAT crucial to our nation and world, then how in the hell is a modest surge of 30,000 troops enough? If this really is the fight of our generation, why haven't they instituted a draft? I'll tell you why, because the minute they do that, suddenly the American public won't be so indifferent about what goes on in the government. Suddenly you'll find the general public a lot more aware and a lot more concerned about what goes on in government and war. The last thing the Bush administration wants is more scrutiny, so much so that they're willing to sacrifice the running of the war in order to avoid it.


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Those of you that aren't able to realize that should have been in school in Manhattan when the two planes flew into our towers. Tell the people that lost their lives b/c of barbarians who felt it necessary to fly commercial jetliners into buildings.
Utter bullshit. The barbarians who did that had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and if we hadn't invaded it, wouldn't even BE in Iraq. So excuse me if I find it laughable and pathetic that you're accusing half of this country of not caring about 9/11.

We were making good progress in Afghanistan and had significantly weakened Al Qaeda. We were close to capturing Bin Laden on several occasions. By invading Iraq, toppling the government and plunging the country into chaos, we gave Al Qaeda a new breeding ground, and they took the invitation with glee. The fact that we have fanatics in Iraq with the same mindset of those that were responsible for 9/11 is the direct result of the Bush administration's actions. Period.
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We were making good progress in Afghanistan and had significantly weakened Al Qaeda. We were close to capturing Bin Laden on several occasions. By invading Iraq, toppling the government and plunging the country into chaos, we gave Al Qaeda a new breeding ground, and they took the invitation with glee. The fact that we have fanatics in Iraq with the same mindset of those that were responsible for 9/11 is the direct result of the Bush administration's actions. Period.
Exactly!!! Why is this so hard to understand for some people???
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The great irony with that sentiment is that the very last thing the Bush administrations wants is to start making the American people sacrifice for this war. The Bush administration wants the American people to feel comfortable (hence the "go out and go shopping" sentiment after 9/11). The more comfortable and placated the American people are, the less questions they ask and the less they hold their government accountable for.



If the war is THAT important, THAT crucial to our nation and world, then how in the hell is a modest surge of 30,000 troops enough? If this really is the fight of our generation, why haven't they instituted a draft? I'll tell you why, because the minute they do that, suddenly the American public won't be so indifferent about what goes on in the government. Suddenly you'll find the general public a lot more aware and a lot more concerned about what goes on in government and war. The last thing the Bush administration wants is more scrutiny, so much so that they're willing to sacrifice the running of the war in order to avoid it.




Utter bullshit. The barbarians who did that had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and if we hadn't invaded it, wouldn't even BE in Iraq. So excuse me if I find it laughable and pathetic that you're accusing half of this country of not caring about 9/11.

We were making good progress in Afghanistan and had significantly weakened Al Qaeda. We were close to capturing Bin Laden on several occasions. By invading Iraq, toppling the government and plunging the country into chaos, we gave Al Qaeda a new breeding ground, and they took the invitation with glee. The fact that we have fanatics in Iraq with the same mindset of those that were responsible for 9/11 is the direct result of the Bush administration's actions. Period.
you need to chill out. have you ever been to the middle east? if so, you would understand that things are run differently. i personally have been to amman and tel aviv, both beautiful cities, and they are not run the same way that we believe here. with a new democratically elected government in iraq, it's hard to expect the country to get going in about 3 years. That idea is outrageous. i say 3 years b/c that is the working time this current government has had. although the leader is an iranian bigot, many things have been accomplished, and the surge is working. you should read between your leftist bull shit columns. iraqi civilian deaths were down last month.

so al qaeda had nothing to do w/ 9/11?? funny. check your facts.

saddam hussein murdered more than 1/2 million people. for anyone to defend him here is pathetic and should be axed as well. that is like defending hitler.

there's evidence that al qaeda was working in iraq before hussein was relieved of power.
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When you have 17 year olds spouting off about how people are not WILLING TO SACRIFICE, then please, make the sacrifice yourself. How easy it is to live in some upper middle class pampered suburb and dictate to the rest of the population they should send their sons and daughters to die for this lost cause. You want to preach to the world about sacrifice, well, go and fucking sacrifice yourself.

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oh give me a break. who ever says that i wasn't going to sign up. stop jumping to conclusions. me reading this is pathetic.
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there's evidence that al qaeda was working in iraq before hussein was relieved of power.
You are one of the least informed posters I've ever encountered here, but you're also valuable in a sense. I no longer wonder how 43% of your country believes that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Now it makes a lot of sense.

As for that statement, there is also evidence that al Qaeda was and is working in your country as of right now. Apparently you don't differentiate between being present in a country and cavorting with the government. So, let's invade and liberate you.
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You are one of the least informed posters I've ever encountered here, but you're also valuable in a sense. I no longer wonder how 43% of your country believes that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Now it makes a lot of sense.

As for that statement, there is also evidence that al Qaeda was and is working in your country as of right now. Apparently you don't differentiate between being present in a country and cavorting with the government. So, let's invade and liberate you.
well, you see, there is a difference. liberation is where you free someone or a group of people from something. al qaeda generally straps on a bomb and blows up something. that is hardly liberation. maybe for the jihadist, but that is going against the muslim cause and most muslims would agree in that statement.

i encourage all foreign armies to bring it. i will be happy to send your ass back to where you came from. that would unite all of us under the common cause. as much as we disagree here, try and attack us, we will come together.
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you need to chill out. have you ever been to the middle east? if so, you would understand that things are run differently. i personally have been to amman and tel aviv, both beautiful cities, and they are not run the same way that we believe here. with a new democratically elected government in iraq, it's hard to expect the country to get going in about 3 years. That idea is outrageous. i say 3 years b/c that is the working time this current government has had. although the leader is an iranian bigot, many things have been accomplished, and the surge is working. you should read between your leftist bull shit columns. iraqi civilian deaths were down last month.

so al qaeda had nothing to do w/ 9/11?? funny. check your facts.

saddam hussein murdered more than 1/2 million people. for anyone to defend him here is pathetic and should be axed as well. that is like defending hitler.

there's evidence that al qaeda was working in iraq before hussein was relieved of power.
Diemen never defended Saddam, rejecting reporting that you flat out disagree with is stupid (unlike rejecting it because it is fake, e.g. gunmen supposedly murdering teachers only to have no students remember the inncident when the story was chased up) and if your going to make an Iraq - Al Qaeda link you should be more nuanced than just throwing an statement without evidence; Zarqawi's presence in Iraq, Ansar al-Islam or the rumblings in 1998-1999 about an understanding between Saddam and Bin Laden could suffice.

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