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Old 04-11-2006, 08:35 AM   #1
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The Social Phenomenon Of "Stupid Girls"

Pink was on Oprah yesterday talking about this, they did a whole show about how the role models for young girls today are dumbing themselves down in order to be popular, in order to sell records and movies. How they are famous for being stupid (pretending they are) and for who they are dating/sleeping with. And about how the girls are doing the same thing, how they are emulating the consumerism of these famous girls by buying expensive clothes, purses, etc. How they are dumbing themselves down in order to be popular with boys. The psychologist described how this is a form of women marginalizing and oppressing themselves. The stupid is really all about losing yourself. Older women can do this too.

Pink said something that really stuck with me, she talked about asking people to name five famous women in the younger generation (of the Jessica Simpsons, Lohans, etc) who are known for being smart, for being themselves, for not caving in to that stereotype-who are not the image of the "stupid girl". How difficult is it to do?

Obviously there are plenty of girls who are not into emulating these celebrities and who are into other pursuits. But girls at that age are very vulnerable and fragile. What is this culture doing to them? And what are women doing to themselves and to other women? Is this all much ado about a fad or is it a serious problem? What men in Hollywood are becoming "stupid men" in order to become famous and make lots of money? Who are the role models for young men?



Stupid Girls


Stupid girl, stupid girls, stupid girls
Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
What a paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl

Go to Fred Segal, you'll find them there
Laughing loud so all the little people stare
Looking for a daddy to pay for the champagne
(Drop a name)
What happened to the dreams of a girl president
She's dancing in the video next to 50 Cent
They travel in packs of two or three
With their itsy bitsy doggies and their teeny-weeny tees
Where, oh where, have the smart people gone?
Oh where, oh where could they be?

Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
What a paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blonde hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl


Disease's growing, it's epidemic
I'm scared that there ain't a cure
The world believes it and I'm going crazy
I cannot take any more
I'm so glad that I'll never fit in
That will never be me
Outcasts and girls with ambition
That's what I wanna see
Disasters all around
World despaired
Their only concern
Will they fuck up my hair

Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
What a paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blonde hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl


Oh my god you guys, I totally had more that 300 calories
That was so not sexy, no
Good one, can I borrow that?
[Vomits]
I WILL BE SKINNY

(Do ya thing, do ya thing, do ya thing)
(I like this, like this, like this)
Pretty will you fuck me girl, silly as a lucky girl
Pull my head and suck it girl, stupid girl!
Pretty would you fuck me girl, silly as a lucky girl
Pull my head and suck it girl, stupid girl!

Baby if I act like that, flipping my blonde hair back
Push up my bra like that, stupid girl!

Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
What a paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blonde hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
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"Pink is making headlines for her hit song "Stupid Girls." She says there's an epidemic of mindlessness among teenagers today and America's obsession with celebrity is to blame. In her music video, she attacks modern-day role models like Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Jessica Simpson, mocking what she believes is their obsession with beauty, shopping and acting dumb.

Pink says striving to imitate the hottest celebrity squanders a young woman's own individuality and potential. "My definition of 'stupid' is wasting your opportunity to be yourself," Pink says, "because I think everybody has a uniqueness and everybody's good at something.'"

Some people have called "Stupid Girls" hypocritical because Pink has bared skin in her own videos. What does Pink have to say to that?

"I didn't write the song to win a popularity contest. I did it to spark a discussion. … My point is, sexy and smart are not oil and water—and that you don't have to dumb yourself down to be cute.

"I don't think any of these [young Hollywood starlets] are actually stupid. I think it's an act. It makes you less challenging as a female to act really cute."


Dr. Robin says many young women who act "stupid" are actually smart girls whose obsession with imitating celebrities keeps them from being their true selves. "The word for me isn't stupid girls—it's lost girls, it's girls who are being defined by somebody else," says Dr. Robin. "[Pink's] video is calling forth for us to look at anything that makes me have to be small so that someone else is big—making me lose the essence of who I am."

Citing the Girls Gone Wild girls as an example, Ariel Levy, author of Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture says that women are exploiting themselves and other women. "If male chauvinist pigs of years past treated women like pieces of meat, now we're doing it all by ourselves," says Ariel.

Ariel says the rise of the "female chauvinist" is partly generational. "Whether your mother is a right wing evangelical Christian or an old school feminist, if you're flashing on spring break, you're probably going to tick her off," says Ariel.

Teenage rebellion aside, Ariel says there's a much bigger picture. "This is a culture that is obsessed with consumerism," she says. "We think we can buy anything. We can reduce sexuality to something that can be bought and sold like polyester underpants and implants."

Ariel says young women are specifically imitating women in the sex industry, not just celebrities. "Those are women whose job it is to imitate real female sexual pleasure and power, so when we're imitating an imitation, we're getting pretty far removed from authentic experience."
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"Naomi Wolf, author of The Beauty Myth and Misconceptions, says there is a disturbing new genre of teen fiction targeted at millions of young female readers. She says most parents have no idea that these catchy paperback sets known as "chick literature" contain graphic, sexually explicit content. "One of the girl characters says, 'I've got to stop taking Ecstasy and seducing married men'—that's her character development," says Naomi.

With their two-dimensional portrayals of female characters, Naomi says the books send negative messages to young girls. "These books basically tell our daughters that their value comes from how high they are in the pecking order in their high school, whether they can afford all of the fabulous designer goods, and provide a hot sexual experience for the boys in their lives," Naomi says.

Dr. Robin says these books are dangerous in many ways. "[They] are defining for girls who they are, making them think they're choosing it, and then profiting off of the demise of a whole generation of girls and women," she says.

Oprah says she defines "stupid" as "anything less than what is your true self—any time you have to pretend to be something that you're not, around guys or around anybody."

Pink says that if she had compromised herself as a young girl by acting "stupid," she wouldn't be where she is today—a message she hopes to convey to other girls. "If you are going to be the future rock stars [or] whatever you want to be—then you're wasting your time trying to be somebody else because you'll never get to you."
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Perhaps more girls should look up to role models like her
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But alas she'll never make the cover of the National Enquirer

We need to promote other role models for young women and encourage them not to sell out who they really are. It's tough enough not to do that when you're a "grownup".
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But half of all people are below average, maybe we shouldn't give them unrealistic expectations
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Great post(s) Mrs. Springsteen

I don't think the whole "stupid girl" thing is anything new. There were quite a few girls like this in high school (late 80's-early 90's) and seemed pretty successful with their "act"...if it even was an act. My friends and I called them "the brainless wonders".

It does seem to be more evident today. My nieces talk about these types of girls at their schools and the attention they get from boys. At that young age, it's hard for girls to believe that brains and confidence are more important than putting on a silly act (playing dumb) to get a boy.....
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Hooray for Pink!!!

And right, it's nothing new that many hormone-ravaged teenage boys gravitate to sluts and many inferior men gravitate to unchallenging women.

And nothing new about sex selling.

But girls/women overtly selling these ideas to other impressionable girls/women is new, distrurbing and hugely disempowering.
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The first time I saw Pink's video for "Stupid Girls" I was absolutely thrilled, and I gained a lot of respect for her.
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I saw most of Pink's interview yesterday & have to say that I was impressed with what I remember. (I was home sick & high on codeine cough medicine... things are a bit hazy. )

Anyway, I think she's really on to something - I like what she said about sexy and smart not being "oil and water". They CAN mix.
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Hell, smart IS sexy.
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Smart isn't sexy, most guys don't want to feel intimidated by a female of potentially higher intellectual capacity. Many guys find stupider girls more appealing as they can be controlled more easily and our role as the 'dominant' sex isn't threatened.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually do believe that Pink's message is a cool one. I think people are tired of the "stupid" girls anyway.
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Hell, smart IS sexy.




for both genders.
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I didn't see the interview but I think she's on to something. I don't think it's anything new. There have always been girls who were into nothing but looking beautiful and were obsessed with shopping and materialism. But it's definitely a problem. Girls need better role models. I like the chess grandmaster. We have a student who works at the library who wants to be a nurse. She's currently taking the classes she needs to get into nursing school. I'm just glad I know her, she's got her head screwed on straight.
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