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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/17/allen.death.ap/index.html

Having suffered a heart attack back in September, Allen had asked prison authorities to let him die if he went into cardiac arrest before his execution, a request prison officials said they would not honor.

"At no point are we not going to value the sanctity of life," said prison spokesman Vernell Crittendon. "We would resuscitate him," then execute him.
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It's such great comfort to hear that American executioners are pro-life. :drunk:

Melon
 
Well, people will point out the guilty vs. the innocent in the "sanctity of life" controversy. But I agree with Cardinal Bernardin's "Consistent Life Ethic" that opposed capital punishment as well as abortion.
 
That is just soooo sick it's funny.

....well, more sick than funny.

Pretty fucking pathetic actually.
 
Actually I'm a big believer in the sanctity of my life - as bon jovi says, guys, it's my life! If I wrote something on a sandwich board about my neck like 'don't wake me up if I'm FUCKED!', I'd want that honoured.

Nothing to do with death row inmates here, sorry, please continue.
 
Kieran McConville said:
Life in Justin's many threads might, however, be a deterrent.
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:lol:

I can just see that sentencing. The condemned man screaming in abject horror as he is chained to a pc with his eyes clamped open..... :yikes:
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Even if his request is put in writing?
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Sometimes it's more than a legal issue. My uncle is police captain and runs the County Jail here. Anytime an inmate dies, or commits suicide, there's weeks of bad PR, regardless of whether the people working at the jail hold any real legal responsibility. For example, recently a man being processed died instantly while being escorted by jail officers. The autopsy revealed the presence of some drugs (don't remember what exactly) and a broken trachea. His community insisted that he was a nice man and was killed by the officers b/c his trachea was broken (nevermind the drugs and his long list of priors, of course). Obviously, he died b/c of a reaction or overdose from the drugs (technically, he had a massive heart attack), and the broken trachea happened while medics were trying to save his life. There were small riots after this incident, racial slurs thrown in both directions, and of course my uncle was sued.

If an inmate put a DNR in writing and then that's exactly what happened, you can bet there will still be a group of people saying that the document was fake, or they KNOW so-and-so would've never made such and agreement, bla bla bla, even if the written agreement IS legal. Believe me, my uncle and his people have had suit brought against them for things way more stupid than that.

Anyway, as for the original topic of the thread, I find that comment rediculous, but I don't support the death penalty.
 
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Kieran McConville said:
Actually I'm a big believer in the sanctity of my life - as bon jovi says, guys, it's my life! If I wrote something on a sandwich board about my neck like 'don't wake me up if I'm FUCKED!', I'd want that honoured.

Nothing to do with death row inmates here, sorry, please continue.
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it's pretty obvious bon 7ovi remains a relevant fixture in all of our lives, and this quoted lyric proves it furthermore.

thanks for sharing, kieran.
 
It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims.

Ok, so the guy was blind and crippled....so what? At least he lived longer than the 3 people he ordered murdered....who I'm sure did not just go to sleep like he did.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!!
 
Well achtungbono, you can go ahead and boil cause I oppose the death penalty and nothing you said in your little post has changed my mind.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Like Justin24 you are preaching nothing more than blood lust. I don't give a fuck what is done to this post... which I accept, is fairly confrontational - it's true!
 
Why is it that supporters of the death penalty so often seem to wholly misunderstand why people oppose it? AchtungBono, Justin24, et al, do you actually think we support criminals and haven't a thought for the victims?
 
What, you saying you dirty hippies DO actually think about the victims and care???

I wonder if this prison uses butter or margarine for the kindly old inmates.
:hmm:
 
AchtungBono said:
It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims.

Ok, so the guy was blind and crippled....so what? At least he lived longer than the 3 people he ordered murdered....who I'm sure did not just go to sleep like he did.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!!
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You know, this guy would have been dead except he was kept alive to be executed. What the fuck good was that? Do you really have such hate in you that seems like a good idea to you?

And, dear, you might want to watch that boiling blood bit...I don't think it's all that good for your health. You might spring a leak.....
 
AchtungBono said:
"It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims"

You have to ask yourself,do you support the death penalty? There is no sitting on the fence,because where could you draw the line.
In Australia,we have just come through an extarodinary milestone, we lost a fellow australian Mr Van Nguyen (22yrs old,I think), hung by the Singaporean Govt.
What crime did he do? He smuggled Heroine into Singapore.
Now don't get me wrong, i have seen the trail of destruction this narcotic can do. But,does the crime fit the punishment.
Van was the 1st hanging in over 30 years, we are also nearing to accept the fact that 9 other fellow Australians will potentially face a death penalty (by firing squad!) for also trafficking.
I oppose the death penalty because, well, i can't sit on the fence! You are either for it or against it!
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AchtungBono said:
It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims.
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It is beyond me how anyone who has ever payed any attention in any of the 400+ capital punishment threads can still think this. :|
 
fly so high! said:
AchtungBono said:
"It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims"

You have to ask yourself,do you support the death penalty? There is no sitting on the fence,because where could you draw the line.
In Australia,we have just come through an extarodinary milestone, we lost a fellow australian Mr Van Nguyen (22yrs old,I think), hung by the Singaporean Govt.
What crime did he do? He smuggled Heroine into Singapore.
Now don't get me wrong, i have seen the trail of destruction this narcotic can do. But,does the crime fit the punishment.
Van was the 1st hanging in over 30 years, we are also nearing to accept the fact that 9 other fellow Australians will potentially face a death penalty (by firing squad!) for also trafficking.
I oppose the death penalty because, well, i can't sit on the fence! You are either for it or against it!
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The Singapore case is not a good example and I'll tell you why:
smuggling heroin into a country is bad enough but I don't equate it with a person taking another person's life. Besides, if you're prepared to commit a crime then you should also be prepared to take the consequences - although I do agree that this crime didn't warrant the death penalty.

For example, do you think that a person who runs another person over in a car deliberately, killing him, deserves the same punishment as someone who throws litter in the street? .....of course you don't.

For that matter, do you think Ted Bundy should have been let off with a fine and a slap on the wrist? ALSO not.....

Killers are animals with no regard for human life, why do they deserve ANY consideration? Why should this man have lived to the age of 76 when he denied his victims that right?
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Kieran McConville said:
Well achtungbono, you can go ahead and boil cause I oppose the death penalty and nothing you said in your little post has changed my mind.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Like Justin24 you are preaching nothing more than blood lust. I don't give a fuck what is done to this post... which I accept, is fairly confrontational - it's true!
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The only thing I can honestly and sincerely wish you with all my heart is that you never ever have to go through the pain of losing a loved one by an act of violence and then seeing the killer getting away with it by being sentenced to life in prison - life that the victim was denied.

For example, I can't bear the thought of Charles Manson living all these years in prison on the public dime, eating, sleeping and still spouting his garbage with no remorse at all for the heinous crimes he committed.

If Charles Manson isn't a good argument for the death penalty then I really don't know who is......
 
AchtungBono said:


The only thing I can honestly and sincerely wish you with all my heart is that you never ever have to go through the pain of losing a loved one by an act of violence and then seeing the killer getting away with it by being sentenced to life in prison - life that the victim was denied.

For example, I can't bear the thought of Charles Manson living all these years in prison on the public dime, eating, sleeping and still spouting his garbage with no remorse at all for the heinous crimes he committed.

If Charles Manson isn't a good argument for the death penalty then I really don't know who is......
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Don't you lecture me, don't you DARE fucking lecture me. It's like I said - bloodlust. If life in a prison isn't enough for you for the person who commits the terrible crime - a punishment which removes them from society for good, if that isn't enough, then you need to look to yourself. The justice system isn't there to provide you with revenge.

A lot of people deserve to die - who will decide which ones?
 
Kieran McConville said:


Don't you lecture me, don't you DARE fucking lecture me. It's like I said - bloodlust. If life in a prison isn't enough for you for the person who commits the terrible crime - a punishment which removes them from society for good, if that isn't enough, then you need to look to yourself. The justice system isn't there to provide you with revenge.

A lot of people deserve to die - who will decide which ones?
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I'm sorry, I wasn't lecturing you - I was just responding to your post that's all.
 
AchtungBono said:
It really makes my blood boil how opponents of the death penalty think only of the "suffering" of the condemmed person and how cruel putting them to death is.....without a thought to what they did to their victims.
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You're so full of shit.
 
Well I oppose the death penalty and I always think of the suffering of the victims, not of the suffering of the criminals. My sympathy lies with the victims always and not with the criminals. So there's at least one person for you...

Believe it or not you can be opposed to the death penalty and still have utter disgust and contempt for the criminals-the two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
AchtungBono said:


Would you care to elaborate on why?

I always respect other people's opinions even if I don't agree with them - I never resort to personal attacks to get my point across.
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You respect other people's opinion?

Not one person in here said they opposed the death penalty due to the suffering of the criminal. Not one. Yet you threw your own speculation and bias onto everyone of us who does oppose the death penalty.

Doesn't sound like respect to me.
 
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