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Old 01-18-2006, 10:20 AM   #31
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I like being lectured.
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Who lectured what?!
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Old 01-18-2006, 11:33 AM   #33
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You respect other people's opinion?

Not one person in here said they opposed the death penalty due to the suffering of the criminal. Not one. Yet you threw your own speculation and bias onto everyone of us who does oppose the death penalty.

Doesn't sound like respect to me.
When I said "opponents of the death penalty" I made a generalization and not a specific reference to this board or anyone on it.

Please accept my apology if I offended you - I really didn't mean to.
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When I said "opponents of the death penalty" I made a generalization and not a specific reference to this board or anyone on it.

Please accept my apology if I offended you - I really didn't mean to.
Apology accepted. But I'd be careful of such generalizations in the future.

Most opponents I know have never used that as a reason why they oppose the death penalty.
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Apology accepted. But I'd be careful of such generalizations in the future.

Most opponents I know have never used that as a reason why they oppose the death penalty.
Then why DO they (and you) oppose the death penalty? My rationale is that the criminal shouldn't be allowed to live out the life he took from his victim - am I wrong?

I'm not trying to argue - I really want to understand.
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:24 PM   #36
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You're so full of shit.
For all the comments about Achtung Bono's posts, at least AB didn't start swearing a blue streak at other people after one post, did they? Or leaving posts like the above.

Granted, this person might be posting vituperative comments in other areas of FYM, but for all the hand-wringing about respecting all opinions...it doesn't seem to come very far round the tree, does it?
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Granted, this person might be posting vituperative comments in other areas of FYM, but for all the hand-wringing about respecting all opinions...it doesn't seem to come very far round the tree, does it?
Well when I start writing horrific generalizations like this:

"It really makes my blood boil how Christian Conservatives think only of the "suffering" of white, heterosexual fellow Christians.....without a thought to what Jesus really taught."

I'll expect you to react the same way I did. Until then you may want to take a look at that tree yourself.
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Then why DO they (and you) oppose the death penalty? My rationale is that the criminal shouldn't be allowed to live out the life he took from his victim - am I wrong?

I'm not trying to argue - I really want to understand.
Leave out vengeance, spirituality and religious dogma for a moment and consider this analogy.

Is it ok to hit your kids to show them hitting is wrong?
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:41 PM   #39
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Then why DO they (and you) oppose the death penalty? My rationale is that the criminal shouldn't be allowed to live out the life he took from his victim - am I wrong?

I'm not trying to argue - I really want to understand.
First and foremost, humans are by definition fallible, therefore not every person sentenced to death is guilty.

Beyond that, just the belief that God should be the only one to decide that type of "justice".
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Well if he went into Cardiac arrest and did not want to be resesitated then at least he would have saved us some money.

You say that you never show support for a murderer, and that life in prision is the ultimate justice?? Tell that the victims.
I am sure all the war criminals who were executed back in the 40's, 50's and 60'(Nazis) would love to hear that people out there would support them in detering their execution, even though they did kill 6 million jews, and the Gypsies and homosexuals that were murdered.
If a person murders some one they should know the consiquenses of their actions, which could mean death for them
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God gave us rules to live by (Ten Commandments) if we dont follow them we get punished, which could equal Hell for some of us. So if a murderer kills someone=deathpenalty, then after god can decide what to do with them.

Obviously God=Mother Nature and mother nature can get mad and cause havoc, mabey as punishment for us.

I am sure there is something in the bible allowing humans to judge people. I mean didn't god say he would not interfere with mankind and that we have our own freewill???
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Well if he went into Cardiac arrest and did not want to be resesitated then at least he would have saved us some money.
After the appeals process and the years spent in prison, I don't think the taxpayers stood to save too much money by not using Potassium Chloride.
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You say that you never show support for a murderer, and that life in prision is the ultimate justice?? Tell that the victims.
Well to the first part they should be smart enough to realize I'm not supporting the murderer. And like I've said before, I've known many loved ones of victims who agree with me.

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I am sure all the war criminals who were executed back in the 40's, 50's and 60'(Nazis) would love to hear that people out there would support them in detering their execution, even though they did kill 6 million jews, and the Gypsies and homosexuals that were murdered.
Once again your analogy doesn't work. War criminals and other criminals fall under separate laws. And once again you can quit with the "support them" shit...
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If a person murders some one they should know the consiquenses of their actions, which could mean death for them
They do now and it's not stopping them. Obviously it doesn't work as a deterrent.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:51 PM   #44
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Well then neither does keeping them in prison forever. Cause they will do the same shit in prison, taking "Human life"

seperate laws but still murder or is war crimes different from murder, can you explain that to me?? I didn't know there was a difference.
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Also can you explain to me where all his support was. All the celebrities??
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