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Old 06-13-2006, 12:05 AM   #166
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It's kinda worked for a few thousand years and some of us have just sorta got used to the idea. Anyway, I respect your opinions, thank you for respecting mine.

Actually it really doesn't work that much since 50% of them end.

But for arguments sake yes it works for those that CAN.

But for you to say " The inability to see the world through the eyes of another is very narcissistic isn't it?" is insane. You're the one that wants to deny a privelage that won't effect your life one iota, just because it's status quo. You're the one that's having a hard time seeing the world through the eyes of the one that is denied equality. It's easy to deny equality when one has never faced inequality isn't it? Maybe that 2/3 you're talking about should look through those eyes.

And quoting that song just shows you don't understand the purpose of the song.
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Old 06-13-2006, 12:17 AM   #167
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Joan Jett???

Sacrilege.

That song was written in 1968 by Sly Stone, he of the massive hairdo.

The Blackhearts' version is probably better, though.
You want sacrilege. I think her covers of I Wanna Be Your Dog and Real Wild Child simply blow Iggy Pop away.
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Old 06-13-2006, 12:36 AM   #168
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And quoting that song just shows you don't understand the purpose of the song.
Ummm, are you familiar with the phrase...
"Sonny boy, you don't know what the f@ck you're talkin' about."
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Ummm, are you familiar with the phrase...
"Sonny boy, you don't know what the f@ck you're talkin' about."
And are you familiar with what Sly was trying to say?

The song is about trying to achieve equality. It surely isn't supporting any idea that it's OK to maintain inequality.
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My only point being that 2/3rds of Americans are not bigoted solely because they feel marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman.


your numbers are incorrect (and i'll leave the thousand year thing alone, since a thousand years ago, or two thousand years ago, women were property and were married off to older men, who may have had many wives, when they were 13 years old or so, and as recently as the 1960s you could get married at 13 in many states -- think Jerry Lee Lewis or Loretta Lynn).

anyway:

[q]Gay Pride and Prejudice
Sunday, June 11, 2006; Page B02


Anyone keeping track of public opinion surveys of American attitudes was probably not surprised last week when the Senate voted down a constitutional amendment, supported by President Bush, that would have banned same-sex marriage. Although a majority of Americans still oppose such unions, there has been a dramatic shift over the past three decades toward greater acceptance of gay men and lesbians, and their rights in society. Driving the change may be that more people now say they know someone -- or are willing to say they know someone -- who is gay.

-- Karlyn Bowman American Enterprise Institute



Oppose allowing gays to marry legally

1996 65%

2006 51%

Source: Pew Research Center

The proportion of Americans describing same-sex relations as "always wrong" has declined since the 1970s. In contrast, the proportion describing extramarital relations as "always wrong" increased from 70 percent to 80 percent over the same period.

Same-sex relations are always wrong:

1973 73%

2004 58%

Source: National Opinion Research Center

Views about hiring homosexuals for different occupations have liberalized over the years. For example, most Americans now say they should be hired as elementary school teachers, a previously more controversial position.

Homosexuals should be hired as elementary

school teachers

1977 27%

2005 54%

Source: The Gallup Organization

Have a friend or close acquaintance who is gay

1985 22%

2000 56%

Source: Princeton Survey Research Associates/Newsweek

Favor gay adoption

1977 14%

2006 49%

Source: (1977) The Gallup

Organization; (2006) ABC News/Time


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060901894.html

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clearly, the numbers are not in favor of marriage discimination, nor is the simplistic understanding of homosexuality as "wrong" going to hold up much longer. Americans under 40, and especially under 30, are vastly more welcoming to sexual diversity than their parents and especially their grandparents, hence the push for an amendment now before those most in favor of the amendment, the 70+'s, all start to die.
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your numbers are incorrect

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Americans under 40, and especially under 30, are vastly more welcoming to sexual diversity than their parents and especially their grandparents
I was looking at polls taken during the 2004 election. So maybe they're as outdated as some of my views.
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here's a thought by Hannah Arendt:



[q]The right to marry whoever one wishes is an elementary human right compared to which "the right to attend an integrated school, the right to sit where one pleases on a bus, the right to go into any hotel or recreation area or place of amusement, regardles of one's skin or color or race," are minor indeed. Even political rioghts, like the right to vote, and nearly all other rights enumerated in the Constitution, are secondary to the inalienable human rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence; and to this category the right to home and marriage unquestionable belongs.

http://womenshistory.about.com/cs/qu...nah_arendt.htm

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To those who do oppose gay marriage I pose a question;

If any of your children grow up to be gay, would you still be adament about keeping their love less important in the eyes of the government and society?
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^ I think the fact that this question has gone unanswered speaks volumes.
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^ I think the fact that this question has gone unanswered speaks volumes.
I think it says no one answered your question. Plenty of questions posted here go unanswered.
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I think it says no one answered your question. Plenty of questions posted here go unanswered.


true, but it does post a great question:

to the parents in here, would you want your theoretical gay son or daughter to be able to get married?
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true, but it does post a great question:

to the parents in here, would you want your theoretical gay son or daughter to be able to get married?


Gay or straight, if marriage was something they felt ready for, I would absolutley want them to have the option.
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true, but it does post a great question:

to the parents in here, would you want your theoretical gay son or daughter to be able to get married?
Yes, absolutely-but then I'd tell them to run for their lives and not do it before it's too late
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