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Old 04-26-2005, 09:03 PM   #1
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The Religious Right and the Environment

I'm already hearing it: accusations of being "slanted" or "biased," and, as such, some people won't read it. Well, I already acknowledge that everyone has a bias, so let's get past that. And if there's certain words that push your buttons, again, try and get past certain words and try to look at the article as a whole.

The question, I guess, is whether one would agree that the crux of this argument is correct: that the Religious Right and, by extension, the GOP don't care about saving the environment, because the world is going to end anyway in a short period of time, so we might as well blow it all! Plus, ecological disasters that may be attributed to "global warming" may be a "good thing," as it might be signs of "the end," so why would we want to stop it?

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2...rer-christian/

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Many End-Timers believe that until Jesus' return, the Lord will provide. In America's Providential History, a popular reconstructionist high-school history textbook, authors Mark Beliles and Stephen McDowell tell us that: "The secular or socialist has a limited resource mentality and views the world as a pie ... that needs to be cut up so everyone can get a piece." However, "the Christian knows that the potential in God is unlimited and that there is no shortage of resources in God's Earth. The resources are waiting to be tapped." In another passage, the writers explain: "While many secularists view the world as overpopulated, Christians know that God has made the earth sufficiently large with plenty of resources to accommodate all of the people."

Natural-resource depletion and overpopulation, then, are not concerns for End-Timers -- and nor are other ecological catastrophes, which are viewed by dispensationalists as presaging the Great Tribulation. Support for this view comes from an 11-word passage in Matthew 24:7: "[T]here shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." Other End-Timers see suggestions of ecological meltdown in Revelation's four horsemen of the Apocalypse -- War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death -- and they cite a verse mentioning costly wheat, barley, and oil as foretelling food and fossil-fuel shortages. During the End Time, the four horsemen shall be "given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." Some End-Timers note that Revelation 8:8-11 predicts a fiery mountain falling into the sea and causing great destruction, followed by a blazing star plummeting from the sky. This star is called "Wormwood," which dispensationalists say translates loosely in Ukrainian as "Chernobyl."

A plethora of End-Time preachers, tracts, films, and websites hawk environmental cataclysm as Good News -- a harbinger of the imminent Second Coming. Hal Lindsey's 1970 End-Time "non-fiction" work, The Late Great Planet Earth, is the classic of the genre; the movie version pummels viewers with stock footage of nuclear blasts, polluting smokestacks, raging floods, and killer bees. Likewise, dispensationalist author Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind" novels -- at one point selling 1.5 million copies per month -- weave ecological disaster into an action-adventure account of prophesy.
That's just an excerpt. The whole article is in the link.

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Insane.

I love how they preach LIFE, LIFE, LIFE but don't give a shit about the quality of life.

Sidenote: I just saw Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. on 'Real Time' tonight and saw one of the best arguments on the environment that I've seen in a long time. He said if we just raise our overall mileage per gallon in this country by 7% we can totally eliminate our oil dependence in the mideast. His whole argument was amazing. Please watch this or maybe I can find a transcript later.

Sorry Melon if I went off a little.
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This is an area which I would like to see the republican party take more action in.
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My friend is every bit a member of the "Christian right" and she's very concerned about the environment. I don't put as much consideration into it as she does, admittedly, but I do recycle and I don't litter.
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Yet... there's plenty of liberals who want more drug legalization. Couldn't that be bad for the environment? It works both ways.
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Yet... there's plenty of liberals who want more drug legalization. Couldn't that be bad for the environment? It works both ways.
Can you explain?
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Marijuana

The illegal growth and cultivation of marijuana has destroyed and contaminated thousands of acres of public lands in America. In fact, more than 2,500,000 marijuana plants have been found and eradicated on National Forest lands since 1997. The damage begins when marijuana farmers burn off native vegetation, destroying natural wildlife habitats. Some growers clear cultivation areas with chain saws and spread fertilizers and pesticides. The arsenic-based poisons kill small animals and rodents and in turn, the larger animals and birds that consume them, devastating the food chain and area water supplies.

Often, tons of trash and high concentrations of human waste are left behind by smugglers, who come to the U.S. to care for the crops. This impacts wildlife, vegetation and water quality along rivers and streams. It also detracts from natural, scenic qualities and can affect human and animal health from spread of bacteria and disease.

Methamphetamine

Methamphetamine or "meth" labs, using inexpensive over-the-counter chemicals to process the drug, can cause soil and water contamination, threaten fish and stream wildlife and create fires.

For each pound of "meth" produced, five to six pounds of hazardous waste are generated, posing immediate and long-term environmental and health risks. For example, National Forest Service employees who have been in contact with meth dump sites have become ill (remember, this could be the mom or dad of someone you know). The waste contains chemicals such as lye, red phosphorus, hydriodic acid and iodine. Some of this hazardous waste is dumped directly into domestic water wells, farmland and mine shafts, creating broader public health risks from contaminated water.

In California, for example, chemicals from large meth lab dump sites have killed livestock, contaminated streams, and destroyed large areas of trees and vegetation in that state.

Cocaine

The U.S. consumes nearly 260 metric tons of cocaine every year, which is grown and processed in the fragile environments of South America. The result has been the destruction of almost 6 million acres of fragile tropical forest over the past 20 years in the Andean region of South America, one of the planet’s most valuable ecosystems.

Each year, millions of pounds of chemicals are used to process coca and then dumped into waterways or onto the ground in Colombia, Peru and Bolivia. Terrorist groups in Colombia linked to the narcotics trade frequently bomb oil pipelines resulting in toxic spills. One pipeline has been attacked more than 700 times since 1986 resulting in an overall spillage of 2.2 million barrels of oil into the surrounding ecosystem. In Colombia, which contains roughly 10 percent of the Earth’s biodiversity, roughly three million acres of tropical rain forest have been ruined by the coca trade. In Peru, ten percent of the total rainforest destruction in the last century is due to illegal drugs.

The rapidly eroding rainforests may mean that scientists may not find potential cures for deadly diseases, (one in six prescription drugs has a tropical source). The loss of rainforests also contributes to changes in the global climate. Pollution of waterways will perhaps permanently eradicate species of plants and animals, in addition to releasing carcinogens into drinking water for generations to come.
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Well, just to note, I don't support drug legalization for a variety of reasons. Environmental concerns are certainly one of them.

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Well, just to note, I don't support drug legalization for a variety of reasons. Environmental concerns are certainly one of them.

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Nor do I. I hate drugs.
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Well most of your reasons are because they are illegal, i.e. those things wouldn't happen if they were legal. I honestly only think natual drugs should be legal, and the legalization will actually help the environment.
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Well most of your reasons are because they are illegal, i.e. those things wouldn't happen if they were legal. I honestly only think natual drugs should be legal, and the legalization will actually help the environment.
I don't buy it. Illegal drug use will increase birth defects, car accidents, continue to pollute the environment, and cause preventable illnesses. How would that help the environment?
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Illegal drug use will increase birth defects
Marijuana has less birth defects than cigarettes. Pot is not addictive, so for a responsible adult it's easy to quit while pregnant.
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No more than alcohol.
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continue to pollute the environment, and cause preventable illnesses. How would that help the environment?
I'm not sure what disease you are talking about. But as far as the environment if hemp is legal it can be used to make paper, cloth, rope, and many other products with much more efficiency than the mean we use now.


I'd much rather use hemp crops to make paper than trees. It's a no brainer.
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Marijuana has less birth defects than cigarettes. Pot is not addictive, so for a responsible adult it's easy to quit while pregnant.
Less, but it will add up. Pot is addictive, but tobacco is more addictive. I wouldn't call druggies "responsible", and it's unlikely they would have any desire to quit.

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No more than alcohol.
Which would change if we place hallucinogens in the mouths of drivers legally. Drinking and driving is a HUGE problem, why risk making it a bigger problem?

It's irresponsible. We allowed millions to buzz out on liquor, then we tried to take it back. Once something like drug legalization gets half that impact, there's no turning back. We could be screwing ourselves over for generations.
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I like alcohol, and, unlike most "drugs," it's safe when used moderately.

I think tobacco products should be banned. They're harmful even in small amounts.

And pot is not addictive. I still don't like it, but out of all the "illegal drugs," pot is where I'm slightly tolerant. Anything else, no.

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