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Old 10-28-2004, 06:27 PM   #16
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On a Supreme Court position? Nonsense.

I guess it has gotten to the point where people will say anything to make GWB look bad.....
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More fear mongering to incite the left to vote.
You have no problem with the poster who comments on being afraid Kerry might appoint a bunch of liberal judges, but as soon as someone says that Bush will reach as far right as he can it's "fear mongering". Be consistent.
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I guess it has gotten to the point where people will say anything to make GWB look bad.....
I hear ya, but it's not like there are a bunch of righties out there lobbing compliments at Kerry. You'd think both of these guys are Satan if you didn't have a mind of your own.

I have never in my life seen a witchhunt like the one pulled on Clinton, it forced me to wash my hands of the Republicans for good (I was already leaning that way). And I'm no Democrat either or even a big fan of Clinton, but that was just ridiculous to the point it was disgusting.

And here we have a President who has waged two wars, has seen the economy tank under his term, seen the most divided nation in decades and is a polarizing character all by himself because of his policies. The only point is, maybe it's easy to see why he gets a lot of heat, some deserved, some undeserved.
But it's a contentious time, people are fired up about the direction of their lives and their country.

IMO, Clinton was villified far worse, for far less than what Bush has done, Clinton was berated on cable news, talk radio, non-stop. At least Bush has allies on those fronts Besides the fact that Willie was actually impeached. I don't think Bush is going to get many breaks, probably never was after what happened to Clinton, who had attempts to tear him down for 8 years. Bush is only a four years in, I wouldn't expect it to ease up if he gets re-elected. And I woouldn't expect an easy ride for Kerry either, I'm sure he'll have a hell of a time trying to get anything done.

Funny how it works both ways, there should be no one who thinks it doesn't. well...what was that Jon Stewart said?.....partisan hacks? Yeah that's it.
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Bush has had the "opportunity" to grab as "far right" as he wants to for the last four years.

Obstruction from the Democrats has made that impossible.
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On a Supreme Court position? Nonsense.

I guess it has gotten to the point where people will say anything to make GWB look bad.....
Doug, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But IMHO, Bush does so much to make himself look bad that other people don't have to say anything at all.

And the thought of Bush appointing Supreme Court judges frightens me.
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You have no problem with the poster who comments on being afraid Kerry might appoint a bunch of liberal judges, but as soon as someone says that Bush will reach as far right as he can it's "fear mongering". Be consistent.
Before you appoint yourself policeman for my posts, I do not recall a thread that argued against Kerry because he could reach as far left as he wanted to.

The argument is made of Bush. It is more hype than reality. The claim is part of the standard repertoire of the left going back to 1980.
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has seen the economy tank under his term
GWB inherited an economy headed to recession. It overheated in the late '90's and the dot.com bubble burst. Add a major attack on US soil and you have one nasty economic situation.

You should support your statement with the policies that caused an economic decline.



And, yes, I will agree with you.
Clinton got a raw deal. But he could have easily avoided the whole thing with one truthful statement.
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Well, I think that a lot probably also has to do with the fact that they are 71, 74, 80 and 84.

Not all old people get cancer. Young people get it too, even babies. That doesn't mean anything. The fact that so many closely associated people are getting it leads me to wonder if there is a common factor causing it.
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And, yes, I will agree with you.
Clinton got a raw deal. But he could have easily avoided the whole thing with one truthful statement.
That's not true. Clinton was dogged by the Reps. the minute he started to run. Time after time they found no reason to prosecute him, including Whitewater.

They finally hit paydirt.
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That's not true. Clinton was dogged by the Reps. the minute he started to run. Time after time they found no reason to prosecute him, including Whitewater.

They finally hit paydirt.
Indeed. Bush lied about yellow cake when he knew it was a lie. He took us to war under false pretenses. But hey! At least he didn't get a blow job -- ya know, that's impeachable.

And nbc -- Bush has not had an opportunity to grab from the far right because no SC seats have opened up. But if you look at his lower court appointees, they are some scary conservatives in that bunch. In fact, he had to push one through against the Democrats and Republicans in Congress because the guy was so conversative no one wanted to appoint him and have that around their neck in an election year.
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And nbc -- Bush has not had an opportunity to grab from the far right because no SC seats have opened up. But if you look at his lower court appointees, they are some scary conservatives in that bunch. In fact, he had to push one through against the Democrats and Republicans in Congress because the guy was so conversative no one wanted to appoint him and have that around their neck in an election year.
Take a look at the track record of court nominations and confirmations and you will see the difficulty GWB has had with lower court positions. The scrutiny at the Supreme Court level is exponentially higher.

But, for some, any conservative on the bench is "scary".
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Not all old people get cancer. Young people get it too, even babies. That doesn't mean anything.
Review the statistics on cancer rates. Comparing childhood carcinoma to geriatric carcinoma is completely baseless.
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I agree with nbcrusader. Too much fear mongering re: the supreme court. The appointment process is pretty thorough. You'd need pretty extreme judges to change momentum of society on the big questions. I think it's naive to think that a couple more conservative judges will end up reversing R. v. Wade, or the like. That would be seen as too "activist" by half the country...and "activist judges" is something the Repubs should continue to oppose.

(Though the Supreme Court DID supremely hurt its credibility -- at least the five conservative judges -- on 2000 Election issue.)
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Pop, I commend you for posting about this. Soooo many people I know don't know this little piece of vital information....
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I disagree, most Bush appointment worm through. Only the worst of the misogynist attack.

So theirs been less filibusters thean approves.
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