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Old 09-21-2005, 12:25 PM   #46
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And, if there were some who are not participating on a fully consensual basis, would we not as a society have an interest in protecting these women from participating on a non-consensual basis?
There are laws and means of enforcement for that. They have to be willing to file complaints and law enforcement needs to act on those without the "prostitutes/porn stars can't be raped" attitude.

But the program noted in the article Irvine posted doesn't focus on this area, rather it focuses on the belief that porn itself is evil. I don't want the FBI being the morals police...hell, I don't want morals police, period. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what is morally acceptable, thank you very much.
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There are laws and means of enforcement for that. They have to be willing to file complaints and law enforcement needs to act on those without the "prostitutes/porn stars can't be raped" attitude.
Surely, you would realize that many of the victims would be fearful or reluctant to come forward and press charges.



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But the program noted in the article Irvine posted doesn't focus on this area, rather it focuses on the belief that porn itself is evil. I don't want the FBI being the morals police...hell, I don't want morals police, period. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what is morally acceptable, thank you very much.
That was the editorial comment in the news article, not the mission statement of the FBI.
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Surely, you would realize that many of the victims would be fearful or reluctant to come forward and press charges.


could you give me an example of charges that might be pressed?
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While we go after the Porn Industry and deciding what people can watch, read, speak, listen too and..... WOW thinking about this last statement isn't that the reason our Forefather's came to this country to get away from?

I bring up a few issues I have that maybe this administration and my tax dollars should really be focusing on.

1>. The murderer of thousands of innocents on 9/11 is still on the face of this earth living and directing Al Queda. Yes I heard the arguments that this terror network has been disabled, just ask Madrid and London's population and they all can vouch for how GREAT the US was in taking care of these Barbarians.

2>. The Iraq fiasco, where do I even begin? WMD's, Sadam's connection to Al Queda (little did we know that they hated him worse than they hated us), we would be reaping the benifits of Iraqi Oil reserves, Halliburton's real sweet deal and I can go on and on.

3>. The fact that we sat back and watched our own people, citizens of this Country die in the streets of New Orleans because it took FEMA five days to act. Yes I agree that blame needs to be spread around to all levels of Gov't but then the little Caveat comes out that one reason of this screwed up mess was because a Bush apointee "Brownie" was so unqualified for this position in the first place. But back when he was named head of FEMA what's the worse thing that could happen? Bush was obligated to get him in somewhere.


Sorry that I got so way off point but it is so frustrating that this Admin. will waste our time and money going after porn? Are you fu ing kidding me? I just you have to be worried what this Country will look like after three more years of this incompetancy.
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could you give me an example of charges that might be pressed?
Rape, battery, unlawfully detention, assult, etc., are just a few examples of charges that could be brought if there were non-consentiual participation in porn.
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Rape, battery, unlawfully detention, assult, etc., are just a few examples of charges that could be brought if there were non-consentiual participation in porn.


i suppose what i'm getting at is that, almost by definition, porn can't be non-consensual. how can you demonstrate that participation in a porn film -- and we need to draw distinctions, i think, between blackmarket porn, which is illegal, and mainstream porn, which is a billion-dollar industry -- is somehow non-consensual? people sign contracts, releases, waivers, etc. it's no different, legally, than a model shoot or acting in a small film.

also, unless you're talking about underground porn that's no more illegal than heroin or illegal firearms, then rape, battery, assault, etc., are decidedly not part of the script of any mainstream porn movie.
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Even in mainstream porn, you would need to evaluate whether true consent is given when someone signs a form. Did they understand the form? Were they coerced into signing the form?

A lot of un-answered questions.
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Even in mainstream porn, you would need to evaluate whether true consent is given when someone signs a form. Did they understand the form? Were they coerced into signing the form?

A lot of un-answered questions.


do these rules apply to regular films? do we not trust someone who would participate in a porn movie than we would people who go into other professions?

also, as someone who works in very mainstream television, your definition of true consent is rare. no one, including the producers, really knows what the final product will look like, and many times, especially in reality tv shows, families or individuals who gave their consent to participate are unhappy with the final product. if anything, they probably know less about what they are getting into than your average porn actress.
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I think that we can all agree that as consenting adults we can choose to or not to view pron.

I do have a problem with the belief that all porn available to us was made under circumstances that we would condone.
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I do have a problem with the belief that all porn available to us was made under circumstances that we would condone.


agreed.

but we could also say the same thing about the Nikes on our feet.
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to Irvine and melon. If everyone's consenting, and of legal age, tell me again what exactly the problem is? Or why I (or the government, for that matter) should care if someone in, say, California is looking at porn in their own home?

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I do not think that is what my concern is.....Nor NBC's.....

There is plenty of porn that is out there that is NOT victimless when looking at the manner in which it is produced.

That is where my concern is. I could give two shits if someone is looking at Playboy. However.....if Joe shmo is making videos of girls in mini skirts at the mall without there consent...then I do expect the government to be proactive.
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Fomr the article:

[Q]"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.
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I wonder how many hidden cameras are in bathrooms aquiring footage.
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I wonder....

It seems to me from reading through that people believe the porn industry will regulate itself.....

I happen not to think this.
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