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Old 09-20-2005, 11:00 PM   #31
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Religion hurts more people every day than porn does.

Shall we have an FBI investigation that results in the banning of religion?

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Old 09-20-2005, 11:14 PM   #32
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Thanks to Paris Hilton ,who has the record for highest selling porn vid BTW, porn had become almost mainstream anyway. Everyone has heard of Jenna Jameson, Ron Jeremy and Paris' video plus any celeb's sex tape which leaks out.

Plus like Irvine511, not being a porn expert,(but I am familiar with it) women hold many powerful positions in the adult industry, no pun intended, as directors, producers and owners. The government should direct its Porn Squad resources to shutting down child porn, and the slave trade which exists in major cities across North America. Jeez, the porn industry has tests for AIDS every month for all its performers. Look at how they handled last years HIV scare, they shut down their production for 3 months until they were sure everyone was safe. Many companies use condoms for every scene, oh yeah, I forgot, the Bush administration only want abstinence programs, not safe sex programs.

It isn't the most wholesome form of entertainment out there but it is very popular. Trust me, some of the people you would never imagine to be porn users, are some of the very people using the products.
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Here is what Jenna Jamison has to say about the Porn industry:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...92154?v=glance
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:02 AM   #34
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Hey didn't we have a question about 'Big Brother' recently?

We have real concerns in this country.

Before we attack those that are having consentual and protected sex, let's look at our irresponsible sex education programs being forced onto our education systems.

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF???

This administration makes me sick.
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Religion hurts more people every day than porn does.

Shall we have an FBI investigation that results in the banning of religion?

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I agree
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:19 AM   #36
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I am a little surprised....

Is it everyone except NBC's contention that the porn industry does not harm anyone?

I am not looking for Christian Taliban answers....or incvestigate Bush. There is a serious topic that can be discussed here without the mudslinging.
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Old 09-21-2005, 08:46 AM   #37
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dunno Dread asked Ted Bundy.

seriously i think porn taints a person's soul and can be subtle in it's effects to some and much more harmful to others.

in short porn debases while other forms of art enlighten.

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i think it's a huge, huge mistake to compare, say, the worst natural disaster on American soil since 1906 to the porn industry.

also, i think you underestimate women in the porn industry -- there's sexism embedded in your post.
Irvine, you can do better.

Rather than discussion the issue, you resorted to old FYM tricks. Both statements torture what I said to divert the subject.
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I'm not some big porn supporter either, but I definitely think the FBI and our government should be concerned w/ more important things, give me a break.

Maybe that's why all the stickies were on Atta's face and they didn't do anything about him, they were too concerned w/ Ron Jeremy or whomever. though I must say that Ron Jeremy should be considered a threat to national security just based upon his face alone
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Irvine, you can do better.

Rather than discussion the issue, you resorted to old FYM tricks. Both statements torture what I said to divert the subject.


i thought you were playing those FYM tricks -- making a baseless comparison.

also, i do think there was sexism in your post, that all women are held at gunpoint against their will by big, bad men and forced to make these films. it's simply not the case. many women actively choose to go into porn -- and i think you're also focusing too narrowly between what is considered hard-core porn (actual intercourse) and other kinds of porn, like Playboy/Penthouse. many of these women are simply aspiring models and are eager to work -- sometimes this leads to movie roles (though probably not credibility).

come on -- you're from southern california, you know what the industry is like.
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This is an impossible topic to agree on AT ALL......there are SOOOO many varied degrees of what is & what is not porn.....

And...I have 13 & 15 year old boys...so I CAN speak from experience...the government is NOT to be held responsible for the sexual education of my boys...They both got "the talk" from me in the 5th grade...more of a 2 hour open discussion...they know they can ask me anything & I will give them a straight answer....the street or school is not where they will get complete answers and be able to question things....even though the street is where most of these kids learn about sex.....it is up to the parents to set expectations & educate their children.....one parent may firmly believe that masturbation is a disgusting pornographic act, another may feel that it is natural & have no problem with it.....do you really want the federal government dealing with the sexuality issues of our youth? We can't even get Healthcare right....that being said....the extreme, what I consider to be "sick" porn (bdsm & snuff) and underage porn needs to be seriously dealt with...it does in fact harm people...mentally & physically....basically, I think age is the defining factor in regulating porn.....
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I am a little surprised....

Is it everyone except NBC's contention that the porn industry does not harm anyone?

I am not looking for Christian Taliban answers....or incvestigate Bush. There is a serious topic that can be discussed here without the mudslinging.


perhaps adult porn does do the kind of damage (you know, damage to the soul and whatnot), but if so, it's self-inflicted and doesn't present a national priority.

i think the fast food we eat and our car culture where we drive everywhere which makes america so fat is far, far more dangerous.

i also think that people are stuck in a 1970s/1980s view of the porn industry. it feels strange for me to defend it -- i sort of view it as one of the things that must be tolerated in any free society -- but it is a billion-dollar industry, and your biggest money-makers (the stars) are hardly going to be abused and mistreated by the producers and corporate kingpins. there's simply way too much money at stake.

i also find it strage that porn is one of the areas where the social right and the feminist left agree on something.
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while we're at it....should the addiction to blue crack be dealt with?
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i thought you were playing those FYM tricks -- making a baseless comparison.

also, i do think there was sexism in your post, that all women are held at gunpoint against their will by big, bad men and forced to make these films. it's simply not the case. many women actively choose to go into porn -- and i think you're also focusing too narrowly between what is considered hard-core porn (actual intercourse) and other kinds of porn, like Playboy/Penthouse. many of these women are simply aspiring models and are eager to work -- sometimes this leads to movie roles (though probably not credibility).

come on -- you're from southern california, you know what the industry is like.
Sorry, perhaps this is a problem with the FYM model for communication. I've never suggested that all women are forced into porn. But, I've challenged the notion that all women participate in the porn industry on a fully consensual basis.

And, if there were some who are not participating on a fully consensual basis, would we not as a society have an interest in protecting these women from participating on a non-consensual basis?
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Sorry, perhaps this is a problem with the FYM model for communication. I've never suggested that all women are forced into porn. But, I've challenged the notion that all women participate in the porn industry on a fully consensual basis.

And, if there were some who are not participating on a fully consensual basis, would we not as a society have an interest in protecting these women from participating on a non-consensual basis?


how would you define non-consensual basis?

you could argue that many people go into porn for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't seem to be an area in which the government should, or even could, regulate. if crimes are being committed -- if we still have, as Linda Lovelace suggested, women having guns held to their heads to make them participate, then it's clear that a crime is being committed, and yes, absolutely those women should be protected from being the victims of a crime. but if someone wants to have sex on camera, regardless of reason, then they are fully free to do so.

i also don't think that what you're getting at is where this Gonzales-led FBI probe is interested in.
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