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Old 11-01-2005, 02:42 PM   #16
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I didn't see an administration comment on the cervical cancer vaccine.
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Christians suck.

They want people to die.

Blah Blah Blah



oh for Pete's sake ... no one has said all Christians, and no one ever does, and many of the criticism of this particular group of Christians comes from Christians themselves.
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I'm not sure this is a real issue, or one manufactured by the newspaper. The vaccine has nothing to do with sexual promiscuity.

Even one of the quoted "concerned conservatives" said:



I guess the mistake was simply asking the question.
Thank you. Sincerely. When I open these threads, sometimes I cannot help but cringe. I wonder what on earth can be argued about when it is something so above and beyond political or religious viewpoints. To read this is nice.
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Blah Blah Blah
You've just destroyed all credibility you may have had in this debate.


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Any group who ignorantly opposes this vaccnine represents a miniscule portion of the evangelical community. The article is nothing more than incendiary nonsense.
Yes it may be a small group, but it's a small group that Bush talks to and has Bush's ear. So yeah, it's a concern.
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I'm sorry, but anybody who opposes this vaccine is a hopeless moron. End of story.

Men should get this vaccine too. This isn't a "cervical cancer vaccine" as much as a vaccine for a few strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, which can still infect men.

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Mandatory vaccinations are a scary thing to me. I simply do not trust our government on this issue. The following piece addresses the dangers of thimerosal which is no longer used in the manufacture of children's vaccines but which up until last year was still present in existing vaccines that were being shipped to third world countries despite the known dangers--and those countries are now experiencing huge outbreaks in autism. It makes you wonder about the bigger picture, what other lies the government is willing to perpetuate regarding other vaccines.

Sorry if this takes the thread in a new direction but I think it's relevant. I am appalled by the Christian right's reasons for not supporting a vaccination for cervical cancer yet I have concerns of my own.

Published on Thursday, June 16, 2005 by Salon.com
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0616-31.htm

Deadly Immunity

When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data -- and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.

by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.


In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
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But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.
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The story of how government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks of thimerosal from the public is a chilling case study of institutional arrogance, power and greed.
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I devoted time to study this issue because I believe that this is a moral crisis that must be addressed. If, as the evidence suggests, our public-health authorities knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical industry to poison an entire generation of American children, their actions arguably constitute one of the biggest scandals in the annals of American medicine. "The CDC is guilty of incompetence and gross negligence," says Mark Blaxill, vice president of Safe Minds, a nonprofit organization concerned about the role of mercury in medicines. "The damage caused by vaccine exposure is massive. It's bigger than asbestos, bigger than tobacco, bigger than anything you've ever seen." It's hard to calculate the damage to our country -- and to the international efforts to eradicate epidemic diseases -- if Third World nations come to believe that America's most heralded foreign-aid initiative is poisoning their children. It's not difficult to predict how this scenario will be interpreted by America's enemies abroad. The scientists and researchers -- many of them sincere, even idealistic -- who are participating in efforts to hide the science on thimerosal claim that they are trying to advance the lofty goal of protecting children in developing nations from disease pandemics. They are badly misguided. Their failure to come clean on thimerosal will come back horribly to haunt our country and the world's poorest populations.
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Mandatory vaccinations are a scary thing to me. I simply do not trust our government on this issue. The following piece addresses the dangers of thimerosal which is no longer used in the manufacture of children's vaccines but which up until last year was still present in existing vaccines that were being shipped to third world countries despite the known dangers--and those countries are now experiencing huge outbreaks in autism. It makes you wonder about the bigger picture, what other lies the government is willing to perpetuate regarding other vaccines.


very interesting stuff.
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Mandatory vaccinations are a scary thing to me. I simply do not trust our government on this issue. The following piece addresses the dangers of thimerosal which is no longer used in the manufacture of children's vaccines but which up until last year was still present in existing vaccines that were being shipped to third world countries despite the known dangers--and those countries are now experiencing huge outbreaks in autism. It makes you wonder about the bigger picture, what other lies the government is willing to perpetuate regarding other vaccines.
"Mandatory vaccination" is generally a misnomer anyway.

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Christians against cancer vaccinnes, greenies against DDT: guh
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I'm a bit lost here. What groups specifically have organized against this vaccine? Ralph Reed? Gary Bauer? James Dobson? Does anyone have any specifics?
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I'm a bit lost here. What groups specifically have organized against this vaccine? Ralph Reed? Gary Bauer? James Dobson? Does anyone have any specifics?
Good observation. No evangelical Christian groups are mentioned.

Two individuals, however, are named. Both make reference to antecdotal comments about the proposed vaccine.

Not really enough to constitute the "politicalized Christian right" but enough for a good headline.
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Good observation. No evangelical Christian groups are mentioned.

Two individuals, however, are named. Both make reference to antecdotal comments about the proposed vaccine.

Not really enough to constitute the "politicalized Christian right" but enough for a good headline.


they have quotes from members of the ACIP who have worked for extremely influential "politicized Christian right wing" groups that have such an influence over the current white house that they can get SCOTUS nominees to withdraw their names.

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[q]At the ACIP meeting last week, panel members heard presentations about the pros and cons of vaccinating girls at various ages. A survey of 294 pediatricians presented at the meeting found that more than half were worried that parents of female patients might refuse the vaccine, and 11 percent of the doctors said they thought vaccinating against a sexually transmitted disease "may encourage risky sexual behavior in my adolescent patients."

Conservative groups say they welcome the vaccine as an important public health tool but oppose making it mandatory.

"Some people have raised the issue of whether this vaccine may be sending an overall message to teen-agers that, 'We expect you to be sexually active,' " said Reginald Finger, a doctor trained in public health who served as a medical analyst for Focus on the Family before being appointed to the ACIP in 2003.

"There are people who sense that it could cause people to feel like sexual behaviors are safer if they are vaccinated and may lead to more sexual behavior because they feel safe," said Finger, emphasizing he does not endorse that position and is withholding judgment until the issue comes before the vaccine policy panel for a formal recommendation.

Conservative medical groups have been fielding calls from concerned parents and organizations, officials said.

"I've talked to some who have said, 'This is going to sabotage our abstinence message,' " said Gene Rudd, associate executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations. But Rudd said most people change their minds once they learn more, adding he would probably want his children immunized. Rudd, however, draws the line at making the vaccine mandatory.
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[q]The jockeying reflects the growing influence social conservatives, who had long felt overlooked by Washington, have gained on a broad spectrum of policy issues under the Bush administration. In this case, a former member of the conservative group Focus on the Family serves on the federal panel that is playing a pivotal role in deciding how the vaccine is used.

"What the Bush administration has done has taken this coterie of people and put them into very influential positions in Washington," said James Morone Jr., a professor of political science at Brown University. "And it's having an effect in debates like this."
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Maybe religious conservatives should think of it less in terms of premarital sex and more in terms of STD prevention in case their loved ones happen to get molested or raped. HPV is the most common STD of them all.

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