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Old 09-12-2006, 08:17 PM   #91
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Islamic terrorism is like Bolshevism before it had a large state of it's own; but the oil price is seeing that turning around very rapidly.
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:38 PM   #92
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Do you seriously think it is possible to overestimate Islamic extremists after 9-11?


yes. of course. what do you think Iraq was/is?

(and that's if we are to take Bush at his word that he was genuinely concerned that SH would give WMDs to terrorists).
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:58 PM   #93
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Then many people are fools. Most studies and Osama's own words point to the elimination of occupation of Muslim countries by the US, Israel, stop the proping up of brutal regimes (with oil) like the Saudis, and get US troops out of sacred lands.
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That is only a step in their overall goal. They have stated over and over that they want to convert the world.
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That is only a step in their overall goal. They have stated over and over that they want to convert the world.
So convert and live in peace my brother.


Think about it.

"There is no God but God"

What's wrong with that?

It fits well with the first few commandments.

If we all prayed five times a day.

We would have less time to sin.
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For tha last three centuries the white Europeans and Americans wanted to bring the poor brown and black peoples to the Christian God.

That may be the goal in most religions. That doesn't mean violence. You can't bring a heart to God at the point of a gun, no more than you can bring democracy.
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I'm watching The Secret History of 9/11 on CBC Newsworld right now. A CBC produced documentary about the events leading up to 9/11. It starts off detailing the first attack on the WTC. Looks interesting so far. A written transcript is on the website.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/secrethistory/
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BVS - You still haven't listed what you would fight for.

The militants are only being kept in check by the US and its allies' military and intillegence agencies. Otherwise, things would be far worse.

9-11 proved that our enemy is willing to kill innocent civilians. Not only willing, but actually targeting innocent civilians.

And if you don't think Islam isn't spreading like wildfire in Western Europe you need to do some quick Google searches.

Iraq is only a part of the global war. I agree it is being conducted like a soup sandwich, and we need to either step it up or get out.
I'm not sure why this list is so important to you. It really has nothing to do with this discussion, but it's probably pretty similar to your list, which I really don't care for. What matters is the means in which we think this fight should be fought.

The rest of your post is saying the same rhetoric over and over and ignores my post. But I will agree that it's spreading like wildfire and I think a lot of it has to do with how we are fighting this fight.
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I'm not sure why this list is so important to you. It really has nothing to do with this discussion, but it's probably pretty similar to your list, which I really don't care for.
I'm confused - you say you don't care for my list of things worth fighting for, but then you say your list is probably the same as mine...

Is it really that difficult to write down a few things that you would be willing to fight or even die for?
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I absolutely agree - I just listed a few examples. The police and firefighters that responded to the WTC and the Penteagon are prime examples of heroism. So is my wife - who is strong enough to run our family when I'm needed outside the country.

One day, when my infant son is enjoying the freedom to choose his religion, he will ask me what I did in the war - and I'll be able to answer proudly that our family responded to the call, like so many families before us; that our family understood that freedom sometimes requires sacrifice.

Your commitment to our freedom is very much appreciated in my household of six.

We all thank you. Thank you.

Godspeed.
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I'm confused - you say you don't care for my list of things worth fighting for, but then you say your list is probably the same as mine...

Is it really that difficult to write down a few things that you would be willing to fight or even die for?
When I said, "don't care for", I meant I don't need to see. My wording was bad.

It's very similar to Irvine's other thread, which I would hope most American's list are similar, that why I said what I did.

I knew if I had made a specific you would find a way to twist my words and frankly I'm tired of that and didn't want to deal with it.
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The question isn't what you are willing to die for, it is what you are willing to kill for.
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Qutb on Jazz
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... a type of music invented by Blacks to please their primitive tendencies - their desire for noise and their appetite for sexual arousal...
Dickhead.
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Sayed Qutb, the point of the previous part was in fact the mindset of Islamic extremists why not go straight to the source. Music seems to invoke sinfulness to believers (much like footloose) and gets banned, frankly I find such considerations to be somewhat anti-human.
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When I said, "don't care for", I meant I don't need to see. My wording was bad.

It's very similar to Irvine's other thread, which I would hope most American's list are similar, that why I said what I did.

I knew if I had made a specific you would find a way to twist my words and frankly I'm tired of that and didn't want to deal with it.
Yeah. I guess I wouldn't want to see you in a position where you must take your posts to their logical conclusion:

A - is something I hold dear
B - I will fight to protect "A" if "A" is attacked

If you admit "A" is under attack, you must commit to "B" - fight to protect "A"
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