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Old 04-22-2004, 04:20 PM   #286
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Melon, if there were no book then there would be no movie...you see?

and BVS, I'm sure everyone who saw the movie had a slight of idea of what they were watching and that was good enough to capture the message.

As far as Tarantino goes I think his comments are so childish. There was nothing funny about the cross being turned over. Even if it weren't Jesus it would not be funny at all. Tarantino spoke with the words of a 13 year old.
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Melon, if there were no book then there would be no movie...you see?
That's no excuse at all. It would be similar to excusing the flaws in "Great Expectations" (1998) on the basis that there would have been no movie without the book. That's not how it works, and Roger Ebert, I believe, berated one of his guest hosts after Gene Siskel died for making a similar comment.

Take it from someone who has taken film studies: you judge a film on its own. If you need an outside book to make sense of it, then it is a bad film, plain and simple. If you read my earlier comments, I don't think the film is completely terrible and nor do I think that all the criticisms of it are justified. But this is one criticism I stand by.

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We do not agree frequently Melon , but here I have to say you are right. I liked the Passion, but believe that the movie misses the whole context of his life. I know the purpose of the film was his death, but what is his death without his teaching? The two go hand in hand. Someone who is not familiar with the life of Christ will not be able to place the event in the proper context. Though the 1979 film "Jesus" often used by Campus Crusade is not a great film, it does a better job of explaining who Jesus was and what his life was about.
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Tarantino has an interesting defense mechanism....
Defence against what?
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Melon, if there were no book then there would be no movie...you see?

and BVS, I'm sure everyone who saw the movie had a slight of idea of what they were watching and that was good enough to capture the message.

If there wasn't a book there wouldn't be a movie?! What kind of logic is this? So every movie made from a book can lack all true context of events because everyone should read the book first?

Slight ideas don't excuse for poor movie making. And if this movie had a "message" to capture if was totally lost on me.

You can't judge a movie on these assumptions. I know people who go to church who don't know the complete story. You are right most people who saw the film knew the basics. I know the basics of Babe Ruth's life, but if someone made a film and it used 'The Passion' as a model of how to build plot I wouldn't know anything more about this man's life than I already did, and it certainly wouldn't turn me into a baseball fan.
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So many people "got it". So many people were moved and inspired by this movie and you are here trying to say that if we "pretended" that the there was no Bible the movie would be terrible...

It really is a beautiful movie.
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So many people "got it". So many people were moved and inspired by this movie and you are here trying to say that if we "pretended" that the there was no Bible the movie would be terrible...

It really is a beautiful movie.
I never said to pretend anything. This may come as a suprise to you but not everyone has read the bible, those that have little or no knowledge of Jesus' life will not leave this movie with a better understanding of what he stood for or why he did what he did. They will walk away knowing he suffered much pain and humiliation and that's about it.
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They will walk away knowing he suffered much pain and humiliation and that's about it.
And that he rose from the dead . . .
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And that he rose from the dead . . .
That is if they don't blink before the credits.
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%@#*#%!!! Why do I get involved?

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Take it from someone who has taken film studies: you judge a film on its own. If you need an outside book to make sense of it, then it is a bad film, plain and simple.
Very true, melon, but we have to take into account the context surrounding the movie. A great literary work (Tale of Two Cities, Lord of the Flies, Brave New World, etc.) does not have the same following as the sacred texts of a major world religion. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid.

Still, (picture me now jumping to the other side of the fence), I agree that the writing does nothing to help those who haven't made some serious study on the life of Christ. I've grown up in the church, took 12 hours actually entitled "the Life of Christ" at seminary, and I spent time shaking my head afterwards in frustration thinking "the average person is not going to understand."

My point is (leap back over to the other side), I don't think this is a flaw in the movie, I think it was a flaw in the marketing. It's a movie best suited for "insiders," and the push toward evangelical movements was a mistake. If you don't already know the context, it's not going to have the impact it was intended to make.

Compare it to the wonderful song, "American Pie." Great song, deep lyrics, catchy tune . . . but I just don't get it. It speaks of a time well before I was around, and without the cultural context out of which it was born it doesn't make a lot of sense. Does that make it a bad song? Of course not, it just makes it more important to those on the "inside" who will truly understand its depth. Same thing with this movie. It can be watched and enjoyed and appreciated by those whose history with Scripture, the Church, and Christianity is minimal, but its deepest meanings and emotions for which the movie was intended probably only happen with those whose faith in Christ runs long and deep. That doesn't make it a bad movie, it just means it was sold with the wrong intentions.
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Bahrain says no.

Tehran says yes!

Iran Gives Go Ahead to Show Gibson's 'Passion'

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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Authorities in Iran, where few U.S. films make it past the country's zealous censors, have given the go-ahead for cinemas to screen Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," newspapers reported Thursday.
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That is great news. I hope many people become acquainted with the gospels throught that decision.
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That is great news. I hope many people become acquainted with the gospels throught that decision.
No, rather, they'll get aquainted with Roman Catholicism's medieval "Passion" story. After all, where do you think that word came from in the title? Just to sound dramatic?

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And what is so wrong about that?
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And what is so wrong about that?
They aren't "the gospels."

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