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Old 04-18-2005, 09:26 AM   #1
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On that video on the ONE website celebrities say they aren't asking for your money. If an addtional 1% of the US budget is allocated to their causes isn't that taxpayers money? So they actually are asking for your money then aren't they? Why not just be upfront about it. Surely taking 1% out of the US budget will affect the poor of America not the millionaires? (I'm taking a guess that most of the people on the video are millionaires). So why don't celebrities all band together and give their money to Africa? I know people will say that their money is too small an amount too make a difference but surely if it can save some lives it is worth it. I don't belive that millions of dollars won't make a difference somewhere? Don't get me wrong I'm not technically against the ONE campaign but it's quit easy to be for debt relief etc when the rich celebrities know theywon't be materially affected.
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Think of it this way.

Bill Gates, a billionaire, cannot save Africa by himself.
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What does the average movie star/rock star have? A hundred million bucks? That's a never-have-to-work-again fortune for most people, but we're not talking about a person here. We're talking about a country and that money won't make a dent in Africa. That's why Bono doesn't give any of his money to Africa. It wouldn't make a dent. Africa needs hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, not hundreds of millions. There is only one source of money that can shell out a hundred billion dollars, and that is the government.
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What does the average movie star/rock star have? A hundred million bucks? That's a never-have-to-work-again fortune for most people, but we're not talking about a person here. We're talking about a country and that money won't make a dent in Africa. That's why Bono doesn't give any of his money to Africa. It wouldn't make a dent. Africa needs hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, not hundreds of millions. There is only one source of money that can shell out a hundred billion dollars, and that is the government.

I understand what you're saying but I don't agree with it. For example If I give say £1 to charity that won't make much of a difference but together with alot of other donations it will. So if Africa needs billions of dollars then does that mean we shouldn't give any money until we have those billions. Surely millions would be better than not giving any money at all. Surely a million would help some people in Africa? I don't buy into the argument that Bono's money or any other celebrities money wouldn't make a difference. Maybe it would make only a small difference but it would definitely make a difference.
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I understand what you're saying but I don't agree with it. For example If I give say £1 to charity that won't make much of a difference but together with alot of other donations it will. So if Africa needs billions of dollars then does that mean we shouldn't give any money until we have those billions. Surely millions would be better than not giving any money at all. Surely a million would help some people in Africa? I don't buy into the argument that Bono's money or any other celebrities money wouldn't make a difference. Maybe it would make only a small difference but it would definitely make a difference.
Because even though it wouldn't make any notable dent in Africa, it would probably be enough to discourage the U.S. even more from giving government money to Africa. Celeberties chipping in to give a microscopic percentage of what Africa really needs is not worth it if it's going to enable Bush and his sad pathetic administration to ignore Africa more than it already is.
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Because even though it wouldn't make any notable dent in Africa, it would probably be enough to discourage the U.S. even more from giving government money to Africa. Celeberties chipping in to give a microscopic percentage of what Africa really needs is not worth it if it's going to enable Bush and his sad pathetic administration to ignore Africa more than it already is.
On the contrary I think if celebrities put their money where their mouth is it would serve as a wake up call to citizens and governments throughout the west. If the public found out that celebrities were doing this I'm sure they would take notice and consequently governments would take notice. After all a celebrity can always get airtime! If we live in an age of celebrity let's see the celebrities really pay their dues and become known for their generosity rather than their love lives, clothes etc
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It would be up to the celebrity to get involved, and while I'm not a fan of Hollywood politics, I respect a celebrity that is willing to give back. However, we should not depend entirely on celebrity efforts. They are not required to give anything back, but out of the goodness of their hearts, we should recognize them for being charitable.
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How do we look as a country when we need our movie stars to do what our government SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING?

What Africa needs is for the U.S. to give, NOT promise, but GIVE, 70-100 billion dollars, see where that gets Africa, and give more if/as it becomes neccessary. I say 'NOT promise' because I think Bush already promised 80 billion or thereabouts for Africa at least a year ago, maybe more, and not a cent of it has gotten there yet.
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Ok the original point really was that the one campaign celebrities say they aren't asking for your money when they really are(albeit your tax money)Everyone has kind of ignored that. The above answer is all good but nobody has really justified these celebrities not giving more of their money away.
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Even if they're asking for your tax money - that you've already paid to the government, it will be spent on improving the lives of others, and in my view, not spent on wasteful purposes.
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Even if they're asking for your tax money - that you've already paid to the government, it will be spent on improving the lives of others, and in my view, not spent on wasteful purposes.
I'm not suggesting that it would be spent on a wasteful purpose. All I am trying to say is;

1)They are asking for your money so why say they aren't

2)They won't be affected but the poor in America will.
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If one, few or hundreds of celebrities gave millions of dollars to the campaign that is fine. Many of them probably give substantial amounts of money and also lend their time and image to the campaign.

But I think the takeaway idea of the campaign isn't the MONEY. It's raising consciousness about the plight of millions of people in Africa and raising concern and compassion for them and others who live with less (i.e. the poor) amongst mainstream and popular culture.
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If one, few or hundreds of celebrities gave millions of dollars to the campaign that is fine. Many of them probably give substantial amounts of money and also lend their time and image to the campaign.

But I think the takeaway idea of the campaign isn't the MONEY. It's raising consciousness about the plight of millions of people in Africa and raising concern and compassion for them and others who live with less (i.e. the poor) amongst mainstream and popular culture.
To be honest I disagree. Unfortunately in our capitalist society money talks and one way or another ONE is about money. Raising concern is fine but concern doesn't save lives whereas money (sometimes!) can. Whether it anti-retroviral drugs, debt relief or fairer trade the answer is always in dollars. Someone has to pay, it's sad but true.
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2)They won't be affected but the poor in America will.
Please explain this to me...how are the poor here going to be affected?
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Raising concern IS important because without public awareness there is no government accountability. President Bush's administration has promised a lot to Africa, but we have yet to see any concrete results here on the ground. At least from where I am standing.
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