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Old 07-23-2007, 10:37 PM   #31
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I liked Hillary better than usual and for the first time could imagine voting for her. I think she's really the most qualified.
I've heard that from 3 people tonight, which is interesting.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:34 PM   #32
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the gay marriage section -- am watching what i missed earlier this evening -- and it's amazing how they just can't say they support gay marriage. they do, in content, just not in form.

why not?

it reminds me of someone loving and supporting their daughter and her spouse, but they just can't bring themselves to say the words, "my daughter is a lesbian."

or, they're just chickenshit.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:48 PM   #33
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or, they're just chickenshit.
I think it's pure politics.
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is the debate up online anywhere to watch?
(or tv)
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:52 PM   #35
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is the debate up online anywhere to watch?
(or tv)
It's re-running right now on CNN in my time zone (MDT).
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thanks!
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I liked Hillary better than usual and for the first time could imagine voting for her. I think she's really the most qualified.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:39 AM   #38
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Hillary still doesn't do it for me


None of them do. I love Joe Biden, but he has no chance of getting nominated, which is why I support him for Sec. of State. Other than that, the other candidates haven't convinced me that they deserve my vote.
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the gay marriage section -- am watching what i missed earlier this evening -- and it's amazing how they just can't say they support gay marriage. they do, in content, just not in form.

why not?

it reminds me of someone loving and supporting their daughter and her spouse, but they just can't bring themselves to say the words, "my daughter is a lesbian."

or, they're just chickenshit.

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I believe that equality of opportunity should be afforded to all Americans regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation. For that reason I support the right of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered persons to have the full protections and rights afforded under civil law including the right to marry the person of their choice. - Kucinich
what is so chickenshit about that?

He is the ONLY candidate that not only supports same-sex marriage, but also:
-including sexual orientation and gender identity in the federal hate crimes law
-family medical leave for same sex couples
-same-sex immigration
-gay and lesbian adoption
-repealing of don't ask don't tell

if this man stands for what you (collectively, not "you as in just you Irvine) believe in, then why overlook him? if we don't vote for what we REALLY want in the primaries, why bother voting at all? clinton and obama are ONLY the front runners because the media makes them out to be. i find nothing in their platform to be convincing of true change. we have this opportunity to vote for what we really want for this country, why not support the person who embodies our ideals?
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Kucinich has no chance whatsoever, but he has interesting ideas. Particularly abolishing NAFTA - what a fantastic idea.
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I like Kucinich, too.
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Kucinich has all the right ideas. But he's just kind of odd and not Presidential or something. I don't know what it is exactly about him. I agree with him across the board and yet I don't see him going anywhere.
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Hillary still doesn't do it for me
On a personal level she doesn't do it for me either. I still don't like her, but last night I realized that I think she's the most qualified. I liked her and Edwards better than I usually do, and I liked Obama less, which is weird because up until then I was behind Obama. Still, all three were pretty strong last night and I'd vote for any of them and feel okay about it.
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why not?
We should be able to find out more on August 9th, when the Democratic candidates--minus Biden--appear for a televised debate on LOGO. Then they won't be able to duck the issue as easily, and we'll get some straight answers (pun intended).
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but see thats the contradiction i'm not quite getting. why do his ideas seem to agree with people, yet people don't want to vote for him?

i personally feel like it is the media that feeds us this impression of who the frontrunners are and who we should vote for.

i'm not criticizing anyone, i just really don't understand this way of thinking. why can't we believe in our ideals and hopes for this country? why do we think like we need to settle?
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