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Old 12-01-2003, 10:32 PM   #1
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The Next Rodney King

I will let the video speak for itself. No articles. There them both . Watch all two...thoughts...opinions.

http://www.local6.com/video/2673639/detail.html

http://www.local6.com/video/2673644/detail.html
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Old 12-02-2003, 12:40 AM   #2
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My poor sentence structure aside...I thought I typed watch them both. I am puzzled.... are police officers not required to perform CPR? I was trained in the military to perform CPR. I was trained in the hotel industry as a hotel "detective" (security) to perform cpr. Why do they not perform CPR on this man for approximately 2 minutes?


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Old 12-02-2003, 02:56 AM   #3
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I can not believe you would actually equate Rodney King incident with this. Ya i watched the tapes and all i see is a man that outweighs both officers running at them trying to hurt them trying to do anything in his power to get away and injure them in the process.

Just because the attacher is black means that this is another incident like King's?

I'm dissapointed you would even relate the two. I thought you would be way above that Dread.

This man should have ben shot as sson as he kept at the offcier. There is one thing most people in the civilised world should know, DONT ATTACK AN OFFICER! This man was deemed to be on alot of drugs and that is what they think killed him. There are no intentional head shots, only to the torso, as to limit the damage.

He died becasue he was 400 pounds on drugs and had many diseases. Not because he was beat by cops defending themselves.
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I saw the video, it was standard police procedure all the way.
These cops should be credited for doing the right thing, it is a far cry from racism/police brutality.
Plus, the video doesn't show when they took the perp into jail and all the other details of when he died so everyone please hold their horses before jumping to conclusions!
Thumbs up to these cops
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Old 12-02-2003, 06:22 AM   #5
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Bonoman I have yet to Post my Opinion.....and the Title came into my mind because it was exactly the way I heard it described on the radio by a "civil rights" leader.

Thanks for the vote of confidence

I have withheld my true feelings from the thread because of my prior POLICE background in the military. My only criticism was the fact that I see no one for two minutes doing any CPR. I have NOT criticized any of the police for their actions in my post.
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Old 12-02-2003, 06:27 AM   #6
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HEre are two examples of leaders from within the Cincinnati Community and their comments:

[Q]"How many of our people have to die before the city decides to do something about it?" Nathaniel Livingston Jr. of the Coalition for a Just Cincinnati told The Associated Press. [/Q]

[Q]"We are not trying to say that this gentleman was innocent. I don't know what the circumstances were, but I have seen the film, and the kind of beating that I observed would raise questions in anyone's mind," said Dr. Calvert Smith, president of the Cincinnati chapter of the NAACP. [/Q]
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Here's my deal with this situation. Does it really take this many TRAINED officers with pepper spray and batons to take this man down. Yes he outweighs them and assumably on drugs, but I do know a little bit about the basic training of how to deal with someone like this. This man was obese by no means quick and agile. Now I was trained in martial arts for 12 years, one of the first things you learn is how to use someone's weight against them, you learn how to take someone down 2 to 3 times your own weight. I believe in talking to my police friends a lot of these same skills are taught in basic training for police officers. Now I'm 5'-9" 145lb frame, I'm not a large guy but with very minimal training could take this guy down. Especially with the aid of pepper spray and a partner.

Next the guy was already down, unarmed and once again not very agile someone as obese as him takes awhile to get up off the ground. I would think they could have easily cuffed him from this position with a little force. Yet they continued to beat him and ask him to place his hands behind his back. And sprayed him once again once he was down. Now given the angle and the amount of people surrounding him it's hard to tell if he was in a position to do so. But in my opinion the continuing of hitting him was excessive.

Finally is the issue that Dread brings up as to why they did not try and recesitate.

By no means is this man innocent, but he shouldn't have died. Ironically a bullet with the intention to wound would have left this man much better off.
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According to what I've read and seen in news reports, paramedics were actually first on the scene and they called the police when the man became unruly...if the paramedics were already there, why didn't THEY perform CPR?
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Im here in Cincy and its been all over the news as you can imagine. The quotes from some Cincy leaders are not shocking considering the racial tension between people and the police in this city.
it was asked how many officers are needed to take this man down? Im not sure, but he was high on PCP and this could have helped him as far as not being able to feel much pain. And while he was not agile, he was very strong and someof the officers have the scars to prove that.
In summary, I dont think the officers were inappropriate.
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Well I guess we can use him as a poster child for the "say no to drugs campaign".
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According to what I've read and seen in news reports, paramedics were actually first on the scene and they called the police when the man became unruly...if the paramedics were already there, why didn't THEY perform CPR?
I believe that is partially correct...they were there and they LEFT. The video clearly shows the police saying "they bailed?" in reference to the paramedics.
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I'm not sure it was an example of excessive force, but I did find it interesting that the tapes seen yesterday are different than today. When the tape first aired here in Oh they showed a few seconds in the beginning that had several severe head blows. Later that night and on nat'l tv today that beginning was omitted.
Like I said, no judgement just observation.

I do agree that PCP is known to create irrational stamina, including continuing to act after several gunshot wounds.
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The tapes I have posted are allegedly unedited tapes.....not sure what you are referring too....

The coroner does not substantiate head blows if I am not mistaken...I will look for those findings as well.
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I do agree that PCP is known to create irrational stamina, including continuing to act after several gunshot wounds.
Exactly, when the U.S. military were fighting Philipine guerillas in the late 19th early 20th century U.S. soldiers were having a hard time killing the rebels even at point blank range. Why?
Because the rebels were under the influence of something like PCP. From my understanding this caused the U.S. military to create a more powerful gun to take down the rebels.
So overweight dude + PCP = very bad things
Again the police did their job give them a break.
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OK...I waited 24 hours....

1st....The Police in my opinion acted 100% appropriately.

2nd...The Press Has not consistently shown the man attacking the officers leading to a misrepresentation of the situation.

3rd...The police did not perform CPR. Why?

I have thought about this. I always carried a CPR mask with me when I was on duty. I bought my own. In the hotel we had hidden stations where better masks were placed that were better protection in areas that were highly populated like restauraunts or ballrooms.

If these officers did not have protection equiptment and this man was acting irrationally as if on drugs, ie (heroin maybe) I am not sure I would perform CPR without the proper equiptment. I am not going to risk my life contracting something that could kill me.

4th...why did the EMT's leave???? They "BAILED".


I am saddened by the death of this man. I was working one night when a man dropped to the floor of a Christmas party at the hotel. It was a Brigham and Womans Hospital Party and not a single person performed CPR on the individual. I do not know why. To this day I am confused by it, maybe because they had all been drinking that evening, maybe because the doctor was not well liked. My parter and I performed CPR on the person without any success. The immages of the police standing there doing nothing brought back the memories of that night with so many not doing anything.
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