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Old 08-07-2006, 03:05 PM   #16
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This thread really makes me shiver all over. The fact that these things still happen - mind you it's 2006 - makes me so mad, so angry, so sad, and most of all, filled with fear.

Justice is dead, and I wish it wasn't. This world just keeps on tumbling down while some people try to make it a better place, but they are withheld by others.

I'm sorry for all the loss that anyone reading this thread (or anyone else for that matter) had to face.

LivLuvAndBootlegMusic, I'm also very sorry what happened to you...

I just wish this world would change, for good. That we don't have to live in fear or sadness any longer, afraid that somebody might shoot us, just because of the colour of our skin, or where we come from...
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:26 PM   #17
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Excuse me, but who is the "they" you are referring to here?
Oh heavens, this is funny. Are you trying to insinuate that I was making a racist comment? Hey, it's all fact that black South Africans did this to white Afrikaaners of Dutch descent, just because they were white Afrikaaners of Dutch descent. Fact. If you want to nitpick over the use of the word "they," go right ahead. Please don't accuse me of racism. Accuse the man who sawed off the top half of a white Afrikaaner's head and dumped him in a bath to die.


ntalwar, the more I think about it, the less comfortable I am with the idea of South Africa hosting the next world cup. If we can't even take care of our own bloody people in the slightest, how on earth are we going to take care of international football teams and the fans that will be following? Knowing South Africa, there will be people who will attempt to hijack the bloody stadiums themselves. On the other hand, knowing that it will be in the international eye, perhaps the world cup will force South African leaders to make some changes in the way they do things. Thanks for the link, by the way.

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Mandela is the only thing that's holding the ANC together, and as long as he is alive, I think there is an important pretext for working together in a civilized fashion. My fear is that when he dies someday, it will all degenerate into complete chaos.
Once Mandela is gone, I'm almost certain South Africa will be doomed. The ANC will slowly disintegrate, some chief or dictator will take over, the rand will plummet, and the citizens will get poorer while the idiot in power drives his Mercedes Benz. South Africa will become just another stuffed up African nation, when it could have been a beacon. I hate to be so pessimistic, but I honestly don't see any way out of the current state of affairs.
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:32 PM   #18
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This is horrible. I had no idea things had gotten this bad in SA. I met some Afrikaaners on my trip to Turkey, they didn't talk about this. I hope they're OK. Reading this stuff makes me sick. Racism of any kind sucks.
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This is horrible. I had no idea things had gotten this bad in SA. I met some Afrikaaners on my trip to Turkey, they didn't talk about this. I hope they're OK. Reading this stuff makes me sick. Racism of any kind sucks.
I think the worst of it all is that there are a lot of Afrikaaners and other whites who just don't know it's going on. I had absolutely no idea that things were this bad. I'd heard rumours of it online here and there, but nothing at all like this. It's like the apartheid era all over again - back then, the news wasn't reporting cases of white police brutality. Now it isn't reporting cases of black murder. And South Africans back home who can't leave permanently seem to be trying to ignore the fact that the country is falling apart. If I had known all this earlier...

See, I've been missing home for quite some time now. I haven't set foot on South African soil since 2001. I've been longing to go back to see family and such. But now, I just don't know anymore. I actually can't believe I was honestly thinking of going back there, even for a holiday. And that's a shame, because South Africa is a beautiful country and I will always consider it my home. I'll always be South African, no matter what it says on my passport.

I don't understand it. The colour of our skin shouldn't determine whether we live or we die, whether or not we have a job, whether or not we go to university. It's just horrific. We're all South African, whether we're black, white or coloured. Ever since my cousin got held up at knife/gun point for "being a Boer," I've been worrying terribly for the safety of my family. It's so hard to emigrate out of that bloody place unless you work in a specialised position, and none of my extended family does. So they're stuck...

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It's so hard to emigrate out of that bloody place unless you work in a specialised position, and none of my extended family does. So they're stuck...

I was just about to ask you that. That's awful and I definitely know what it's like to have an extended family stuck in a deteriorated country.

I got a chance to read the whole thing on the sly (not all the blogs though) and it sickened me, again. I find my self disgusted at the cruelty that happens around the world everywhere. For any fucking reason. It just supports my theory that the devil doesn't exist because humanity is evil enough.
Anyways, now I want to wiki up South Africa to get a better grasp on the whole subject.
I think the last thing I saw about South Africa was the Disney movie, "The Color of Friendship."
I can imagine it's backwards now, and much worse off.
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It's so hard to emigrate out of that bloody place unless you work in a specialised position, and none of my extended family does. So they're stuck...

That's too bad about your extended family. I wonder if applying for asylum somewhere is an option for them .

Also, not sure if you saw another link on that blog,
but they had a good site for crime reporting- http://www.crimexposouthafrica.org/
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:37 PM   #22
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As a child, I had a similar experience. Not nearly comparable to what you've experienced and posted, but I was the Dutch kid that grew up in the black part of town...
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EDIT: By the way, I'm very sorry to hear about the difficulties you went through, LivLuv. They really have it out for the Dutch and those of Dutch descent...
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Excuse me, but who is the "they" you are referring to here?
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Oh heavens, this is funny. Are you trying to insinuate that I was making a racist comment?
How is it funny? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought that LivLuv was from the U.S. in which case her story has nothing to do with Afrikaaners and blacks in South Africa, and a lot more to do with race relations in her particular city. So why would you insinuate that black people apparently "have it out" for white people of Dutch descent? It seems to me that any time you start seeing things through an "us vs. them" prism, it is bound to disintegrate into stereotyping - which is never helpful.

I understand that this is an emotional topic for you, and I can respect that. However, racism is a charged topic for me as well, as I'm in a committed relationship with someone from Africa. I'm white and he's black. We've both had to deal with our respective cultures' views of the "other", and if I've learned anything it is that you can never categorize an entire race or color of people based on the actions of some. That's why reading a comment like "they have it out for us" makes me very uncomfortable.
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How is it funny?
It's funny, because you were implying something that wasn't at all true.

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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought that LivLuv was from the U.S. in which case her story has nothing to do with Afrikaaners and blacks in South Africa, and a lot more to do with race relations in her particular city. So why would you insinuate that black people apparently "have it out" for white people of Dutch descent?
Hmm? LivLuv wrote that she was "the Dutch kid" living in "the black part of town" and that she and her brother were shot at because of this. Which is, again, very similar to Afrikaaners (who are of Dutch descent) being shot at by blacks.

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That's why reading a comment like "they have it out for us" makes me very uncomfortable.
Interesting. Of all the things that could have POSSIBLY made you uncomfortable in this thread, that's the one you chose to comment about? A comment you perceived as being racist that wasn't even racist at all, just a general comment about how some black people treat the white "oppressor" because of things long past? financeguy said it all. Anti-white racism is the racism we don't like to talk about.


Thanks, Pla, ntalwar and everyone else for your sympathy. It's very tough knowing that I'm sitting here safe and sound on the other side of the world, when any member of my family could be killed at any given moment...because of the colour of their skin. Whatever progress South Africa made in 1994 is making a massive turn around and has been for some time now.
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Those stories are horrible and disgusting. My next door neighbor and good friend was born and raised in South Africa (she is white) and she used to tell me some pretty crazy stories regarding black SA's vs white SA's. Her parents live in Johannesburg.. she hasnt mentioned anything about it lately but this sparks my interest and I want to ask her how they are doing. I remember her telling me that last year some SAs looted and trashed her parents fish store. They had just bought it .. saved up and everything, and it was their own business and then it was destroyed. It's really sad and makes you stop and appreciate what you have, and the things you take for granted.
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I tend to think that this is a phenomenon that deserves more research, as it is not completely unique globally. There's plenty of examples of oppressed minorities and how they react after finally obtaining civil rights, but it is less common to run in to examples of oppressed majorities and how they react afterwards. However, I think that a similar dynamic is happening in Iraq currently, as the Shi'ite majority is now in power and going on a murderous rampage against the minority Sunnis who used to rule over them.

I have to ask myself what the root of the problem is; whether it is driven by vengeance, whether the majority had developed unrealistic expectations for prosperity and takes out their frustrations on the former ruling minority, or if it has to do with mass political ignorance and incompetance when dealing with a group of people who, after being shut out of the political process for decades, now suddenly have complete control.

Being part of a minority that is misunderstood and irrationally hated by the majority of Americans has made me think about how to end hatred for a while now. I hope, someday, that global prejudice of all kind is eradicated.

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