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Old 06-21-2005, 07:17 PM   #31
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I'm pretty sure the anti-malaria drugs aren't 100% effective. I know someone who got malaria after a semester in Ghana. We were told that it would still be possible to get malaria even though we took the drugs on schedule our entire month in Tanzania (well, you start a few days before and continue for a bit afterwards). In fact, if we have any fever for a year and a half after this past January, we have to be checked (I've already had to go in twice) and I don't think we can give blood for a few years. Some of the drugs make you sick. A friend of mine who went to Kenya a few years back threw hers up every day after taking them and couldn't help it.
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The stuff that was sprayed in your room was probably not DDT but was surely some sort of bugspray chemical concoction. Also, even if you take medications you can still come down with malaria. I take doxycycline every day and it makes me nauseous. I'd almost rather get sick with malaria. Almost, but not quite.

Anyways, basically malaria is a parasite that lives in your liver and each life cycle (eggs hatch, send little critters into your bloodstream) you risk getting sick. The meds you take as prophalaxis try to kill the little bastards when they are on the run through your blood, but they don't kill the ones that are waiting in your liver to reproduce. which is why you can still get sick with malaria after leaving a endemic zone. (you can tell i'm not a doctor with my haphazard explanations. lol)
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And as for the pharmaceutical companies, they are beholden to their shareholders, blame THEM if you want to blame anyone for the companies' desire to turn a profit.
Oh I do. Don't worry. That's often why I want to say "fuck it" to privatized health care and socialize the entire damn thing. "Health care" for "profit" is an oxymoron.

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Oh I do. Don't worry. That's often why I want to say "fuck it" to privatized health care and socialize the entire damn thing. "Health care" for "profit" is an oxymoron.

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I've lived in a socialized medicine society, I prefer the system we have here in the US
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I've lived in a socialized medicine society, I prefer the system we have here in the US
I think you are the first I've ever heard admit that...interesting.

I know a lot of conservatives who've actually changed their views after living in a socialized medicine society.
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The phrase 'socialised medicine' does not even exist in Europe.

We take a decent level of public health care for granted, and complain like mad if we don't get it. Not that our healthcare systems are perfect, far from it.

Health care is a fundamental human right, and any wealthy society that doesn't give it to all its citizens, is uncivilised.

It's as simple as that.
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It is easy to make grand pronouncements like that. What level of healthcare is deemed a right? Also, how can it be a "right" when it requires someone else to pay for it.
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It is easy to make grand pronouncements like that. What level of healthcare is deemed a right? Also, how can it be a "right" when it requires someone else to pay for it.

medicine/health care is not a commodity. to view it as such is barbaric.

yes, someone pays for it, but it cannot be viewed in the same way that one views other products in a market system. it can be argued that, if you pay for it, it's a commodity, but that's indicative of black-and-white thinking. it's in society's best interests to ensure that all citizens receive at least a basic level of health care. let's take Japan as an example. over there, you'll find some of the lowest levels of HIV transmission on earth (actually, *the* lowest, i believe). why? universal health care, comprehensive sex education in schools, and a positive social attitude towards condoms.

education is also not a commodity, but that's a slightly different concept.
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I think you are the first I've ever heard admit that...interesting.

I know a lot of conservatives who've actually changed their views after living in a socialized medicine society.
Maybe they haven't had to deal with the NHS in the UK
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The phrase 'socialised medicine' does not even exist in Europe.

The word "aluminum" doesn't exist in Europe, but the Brits and Irish do use that material, they just call it "aluminium"



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We take a decent level of public health care for granted, and complain like mad if we don't get it. Not that our healthcare systems are perfect, far from it.
I don't know what you have in Ireland, but the NHS in Britain is far from a "decent level of public health" IMO, I lived there for 22 years so I do know what it's like

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Health care is a fundamental human right, and any wealthy society that doesn't give it to all its citizens, is uncivilised.

It's as simple as that.
Really ??? This is news to me. Where exactly does it say that ? I know that it *should* be.....
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i wonder howmany people want to use DDT in there own homes for pest control.
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http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/pbt/ddt.htm


Maybe we can use DDT as population control also
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Really ??? This is news to me. Where exactly does it say that ? I know that it *should* be.....
the UN's international covenant on economic, social and cultural rights:

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1. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.

2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for:

(a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child;
(b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene;

(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;

(d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/a_cescr.htm
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the UN's international covenant on economic, social and cultural rights:



http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/a_cescr.htm
You lost me as soon as you said "UN".
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Silly dandy, don't you know UN covenants and resolutions are only there to slap other countries in the face with?
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