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Old 12-02-2011, 06:12 PM   #676
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Not at all. I simply reject the idiotic notion that the left has a monopoly on science and will support any and all ideas grounded therein. It's simply not true.


wow, even science is political for you? science is science, it's the application of it's findings that become politicized. climate change is the best political example of one side outright rejecting consensus and then funding hacks to disagree with said consensus.



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So I can be skeptical of climate change, and you guys can denounce developing nuclear power as a legitimate form of long-term energy for the United States. Which one of our opinions more significantly halts the forward progress of this country?

are you skeptical of climate change because of the science or because you agree politically with those who fund scientists to disagree with the overwhelming consensus or are you skeptical because you don't believe that the steps necessary to combat it's advance are good for the country/world but you're too scared to come out and say "i don't care about the environment, i care about money" and so you pay for the patina of science to give you the ability to look at yourself in the mirror the next day?
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wow, even science is political for you? science is science, it's the application of it's findings that become politicized. climate change is the best political example of one side outright rejecting consensus and then funding hacks to disagree with said consensus.
It also shows how another ideology is willing to use "the science" to push its statist agenda.
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A majority of scientists support drug testing and other experiments on animals, as well as the development of nuclear power. Aren't liberals generally much less inclined to support these two ideas?


What the. . .

How did I not get these memos, guys?!?
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It also shows how another ideology is willing to use "the science" to push its statist agenda.
Please tell me how I'm pushing a statist agenda simply because I think we should be doing more about not fucking our planet. I'd love to hear it.

I'm like the opposite of a tree hugger. I hate nature and I'm allergic to goddamn grass. Unless I'm outdoors for sports or concerts or like at the shore, I'd prefer to be indoors.

But I also understand that long-term pollution and over-reliance on scarce resources is really, really fucking bad.
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It also shows how another ideology is willing to use "the science" to push its statist agenda.


there a difference between the science that's created an overwhelming consensus on the reality of global warming.

and the GOP and oil companies manufacturing "the science" to create some sort of political cover for doing nothing.

but, please, equivocate between the two (after all, who can really say anything for certainty?).

if nothing else, that's been Fox's great contribution to the world. you can say whatever the fuck you want so long as you can present it as "the other side."
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wow, even science is political for you? science is science, it's the application of it's findings that become politicized. climate change is the best political example of one side outright rejecting consensus and then funding hacks to disagree with said consensus.

are you skeptical of climate change because of the science or because you agree politically with those who fund scientists to disagree with the overwhelming consensus or are you skeptical because you don't believe that the steps necessary to combat it's advance are good for the country/world but you're too scared to come out and say "i don't care about the environment, i care about money" and so you pay for the patina of science to give you the ability to look at yourself in the mirror the next day?

Look at the lies and deception perpetrated by Al Gore and a number of scientists. A surefire way to increase skepticism is to be dishonest. How is that a difficult concept to comprehend? And is it only the scientists that agree with me that have financial incentives to be misleading? There aren't any who you cite who are fearmongers who rely on half-truths and manipulation to keep the grant money flowing? Can you introduce me to some of these saints?

Don't say I don't care about the environment. That's not true. But climate change? I don't know or care if it exists or how. Regardless, it's about number 700 on the list of things I'm worried about. What I don't want is billions of dollars in investment and policies that nobody knows for sure will work or to what degree. Was the Solyndra investment grounded in science or in blind faith?
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Look at the lies and deception perpetrated by Al Gore and a number of scientists.
Every time the whiff of a science debate gets started on this forum and cogent points are presented from middle of the road or leftist posters, the few conservative posters grab the conservative radio talking points without fail.

Fascinating.

Al Gore! Michael Moore! Anarchist groups on college campuses mobilizing! Good white suburban Christians marginalized! At least you can still get a good glass of raw milk from some places these days, I tell ya.
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But climate change? I don't know or care if it exists or how.


and there we go.
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and there we go.
Yeah that statement is pretty telling...
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Don't say I don't care about the environment. That's not true.

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But climate change? I don't know or care if it exists or how.
You are aware that these two statements are contradictory, right?
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As far as i'm aware the only time that the science on climate change was heavily claimed as fabrication the scientists were found not guilty in the courts, they got criticised for how they acted around their findings but there were no issues found with their results.

Everything seems so short termist from the majority of politicians though especially seeming from the right, where it is all about growth and nothing else, to hell with the future of the environment or what kind of culture you wish future generations to be brought up in. Even if you aren't sold on climate change there surely can be no denying that you know oil, gas and coal pollute quite heavily and are widely known to be not too great for your health or the environment, why is it so bad to focus on something a bit cleaner and safer? Won't somebody please think of the children?
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Socialist swine, muppet propagandists!

You'll not have me care about endangered frogs! Me? I'm going to eat pork and wash it down with a glass of raw milk.
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