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Old 12-01-2011, 09:48 PM   #661
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Curious- Do you ever bother criticizing your own party when they refuse to adopt policies backed overwhelmingly by science?


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Nuclear power? Opening Yucca Mountain? Animal testing?
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and these are all on the same scale as global warming know-nothingism ... how? none of these are even in the same ballpark, both in terms of scientific evidence as well as political attention.
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I won't coment on Yucca Mountain as I'm not familiar enough, but as for nuclear power and animal testing - there is scientific consensus? On what? I'm genuinely confused.
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Nuclear power? Opening Yucca Mountain? Animal testing?
Do you see this as a serious answer?

Do you see a blanket consensus on both sides? In other words is there a close to consensus of science on all these? No.
Is there a consensus opposition on these from the party? No.

Let's get some serious analogies please.
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I think you're tipping your hand a bit here, do you really think the majority of liberals are long-haired hippies doused in petuli oil?

Also, what do nuclear power, opening Yucca Mountain, and animal testing have to do with ongoing scientific research in the same genre of climate change?

You're comparing apples and brownies just trying to grasp for a straw or two in this.
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and these are all on the same scale as global warming know-nothingism ... how? none of these are even in the same ballpark, both in terms of scientific evidence as well as political attention.
But they all would affect our lives significantly more than climate change does. Are you against applying scientific findings to meaningful public policy?

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I won't coment on Yucca Mountain as I'm not familiar enough, but as for nuclear power and animal testing - there is scientific consensus? On what? I'm genuinely confused.
A majority of scientists support drug testing and other experiments on animals, as well as the development of nuclear power. Aren't liberals generally much less inclined to support these two ideas?

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Do you see this as a serious answer?
I was responding to the profoundly insightful and serious post essentially declaring that "conservatives don't go in for all that book-learnin" and presented a few policy areas backed by science where the left has been tepid, at best, in their support.

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You're comparing apples and brownies just trying to grasp for a straw or two in this.
Not at all. I simply reject the idiotic notion that the left has a monopoly on science and will support any and all ideas grounded therein. It's simply not true.

So I can be skeptical of climate change, and you guys can denounce developing nuclear power as a legitimate form of long-term energy for the United States. Which one of our opinions more significantly halts the forward progress of this country?
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A majority of scientists support drug testing and other experiments on animals, as well as the development of nuclear power. Aren't liberals generally much less inclined to support these two ideas?
You 're not helping yourself look book "learned" with posts like this.

Where do the majority of scientists stand on the STABILITY of nuclear power? Have you already forgotten about Japan?

Do you honestly think the majority of democrats are PETA members? You really need to stop watching Fox, please!!!
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A majority of scientists support drug testing and other experiments on animals, as well as the development of nuclear power. Aren't liberals generally much less inclined to support these two ideas?
I don't think anyone is arguing that animal testing doesn't work or isn't beneficial to humans. This is a moral issue. I personally get animal testing, even though it comes at a great expense to innocent animals. I think it's sad and that science can probably figure out a way to test things that doesn't harm animals in the near future, but on the importance scale, I'd rather they kill some dogs than continue to let people die of cancer.
They kill dogs in shelters anyway, and there's nothing to be done about it unless people spay and neuter. At least they're serving people (and other animals! when cancer is cured for people, cancer will be cured for pups too!).
My dog benefited from diabetic and thyroid medication for years at the expense of other dogs (cats, rats, monkeys and so on).

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Where do the majority of scientists stand on the STABILITY of nuclear power? Have you already forgotten about Japan?
isn't that just a lefty knee jerk??

my guess is a lot more people have died as a result of coal powered electric plants and the petroleum and gas fired power plants, especially when you include all the health related illnesses and deaths from the fuel sources for electric power.

so per kilowatt generated, nuclear is most likely the safest, with less health related side effects.
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isn't that just a lefty knee jerk??

my guess is a lot more people have died as a result of coal powered electric plants and the petroleum and gas fired power plants, especially when you include all the health related illnesses and deaths from the fuel sources for electric power.

so per kilowatt generated, nuclear is most likely the safest, with less health related side effects.
Well the majority of scientists are socialists, so maybe you're right.
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A majority of scientists support drug testing and other experiments on animals, as well as the development of nuclear power. Aren't liberals generally much less inclined to support these two ideas?

I think that you're thinking of Greenpeace and PETA not "liberals." And among the contingent of "liberals" who don't support these, you won't find people who deny the existence of the atom.

I am way left of the Democratic party and I support nuclear power and see animal testing as essential to medical research, and should be regulated properly.

Who do you think does the majority of animal and nuclear power research? Tea partiers or left-leaning academics?
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i have no problem with nuclear power and would like a place like yucca mountain to be used.
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