The most trusted NEWS source in America? - Page 24 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-02-2011, 01:51 PM   #346
has a
 
kramwest1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Not a toliet wall
Posts: 6,939
Local Time: 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers View Post
Not only is Obama a secret Muslim, but he PLANNED THIS and it means that the fires that are burning the whole world will soon be turning into a Caliphate including America apart from the bits that are China and Russia (like the Netherlands) and Code Pink started it because they are the Muslim Brotherhood in Chicago from Kenya. Just like France did.
Oh why couldn't he just have been an out-of-touch, over-educated, liberal elitest that goes to a radical black Christian church that associates with domestic terrorists? WHY?!?!
__________________

__________________
Bread & Circuses
kramwest1 is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 02:48 PM   #347
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers View Post
It's got nothing to do with excitement, or picking the most exciting/sensational angle for entertainment. I only really chime in on Fox mocking normally to have a go at the style, rather than the substance, because obviously it's 99% about US domestic issues. I hate the style, no matter the subject. It's shouty and stupid, designed to show you nothing and teach you nothing, basically. And they make no attempt at being a 'news' channel at all. But on US domestic stuff, I really don't pay much attention beyond the style to the detail of the substance, because - obviously - it doesn't effect me.

But when Fox do dare drift into foreign events or international news, I do pay attention, and finding fault in the substance is like shooting fish in a barrel. They get virtually nothing right historically or factually. They so obviously push more than just an 'entertaining angle', but a clear aim of whipping up hysteria among people too stupid to know any different, or trained to be too distrustful of any other source other than their own. Their 'coverage' (and its not really coverage, its just commentary - the actual news networks do the coverage) has just been one massive echo chamber of extreme to seriously extreme wrongness, basically. The line, angle, agenda (whatever) they're all to some degree taking on Egypt has not only been mostly wrong factually, but wholly wrong morally. And desperately as always trying to drag it back to US domestic politics somehow. It is - to be blunt - fucking disgusting.

It's when something like this happens that you think that maybe there might be some people out there who, you know, watch the real story coming from Egypt by day - perhaps from a proper news network like the BBC, who have correspondents permanently on the ground in Egypt (not just anchors parachuted in for a few days of glory), mixed with educated and educational insight from various academics, diplomats etc who have decades of experience in this country and region (not the same dozen endlessly recycled domestic political hacks pretending to suddenly understand the intricacies of Egyptian opposition politics) - who then tune into their favourite blowhard on Fox at night, and seeing the massive disconnect between reality and the line their favourite Fox guy is pushing, perhaps have their eyes opened a little, and perhaps think... maybe it's not just this time, or this topic... hmmm...

But I doubt it, because I think Fox have their market pegged and trained pretty well. Too stupid, or too scared, or both. Have a look around a few well known US conservative websites, in forums or comments sections. They're right now cheering on the pro-Mubarak supporters as they lob petrol bombs onto peaceful pro-democracy supporters. Well done Fox!
I agree with your assessment, but my point is it's all in the service of the Almighty Dollar. This approach you've described brings viewers. At the end it's all about the money.

And I maintain that enterainment has everything to do with it. Our culture has become overwhelmingly oriented around entertainment as the highest good. Short attention spans, simplistic story lines, good guys and bad guys--that's what we're all about.

I've come to conclude that all the Republicans really need is someone who is more charismatic than Obama and they'll win in 2012. When was the last time the less telegenic guy won the presidency in this country?
__________________

__________________
maycocksean is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 03:51 PM   #348
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London/Sydney
Posts: 6,608
Local Time: 08:48 PM
"The Entire Mediterranean Is On Fire": A Song by Glenn Beck | The Awl
__________________
Earnie Shavers is offline  
Old 02-02-2011, 07:13 PM   #349
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,290
Local Time: 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers View Post
And I love this. You know Hannity fired a researcher after this.


YouTube - Even Hannity's Conservative Guests Think He's Exaggerating Islamic Threat In Egypt
This is really astounding, though unsurprising.

The video can be summed up thusly: "Excuse me WHY are you, Mr. Scholar of Arab politics and history and national of Egypt DOWNPLAYING the influence of ISLAMIC JIHADISM in Egypt? What? The Muslim Brotherhood has never gotten over 20% of votes in an election? Listen, Mr. Arab man, 20% PLUS the military which doesn't align itself with the Muslim Brotherhood in ANY DEMONSTRABLE WAY (we'll ignore this for now), I have to cut you off because I don't understand why you refuse to tell my viewers that they're all going to be blown up by an Islamic Jihadist wearing a suicide belt disguised as a Walmart greeter."

Truly, the Americans who watch this show and think that it has journalistic rigour and believe it are beyond hope. Hopeless. Unreachable. Total lost causes. Their brains have atrophied.
__________________
anitram is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 04:12 AM   #350
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London/Sydney
Posts: 6,608
Local Time: 08:48 PM
20% in an election that had only 20% turnout. So 4%. And then he points out that the MB make damn sure all of their people get out there and vote, while among the larger population, there's understandably strong apathy. So that 4% is an accurate reader - and you get some idea of their real influence/size, and where they'd really stand in a real, open, free election with large turnout, and it's not to Hannity's liking. Does not fit the anti-Islam bullshit FREAKOUTAMERICA!!!! narrative.
__________________
Earnie Shavers is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 12:51 PM   #351
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,543
Local Time: 08:48 PM
A nice analysis from The Guardian: Middle East unrest according to Glenn Beck and friends | World news | guardian.co.uk

__________________
Popmartijn is online now  
Old 02-03-2011, 04:24 PM   #352
Forum Moderator
 
yolland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,471
Local Time: 08:48 PM
Maybe we're living through some sort of funhouse-mirror rehash of the 60s...instead of weed-addled fantasies of sticking it to the Man inaugurating an unprecedented utopia of peace and brotherhood, we get Ritalin-addled nightmares of being ravished by a resurgent Golden Horde casting us back to the Dark Ages.
__________________
yolland [at] interference.com


μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης
yolland is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 05:27 PM   #353
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 19,270
Local Time: 01:48 PM
From that Guardian link...

Quote:
The 44th president and Joseph Biden [should] be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours. At that point the speaker of the house, John Boehner, will become the 45th president of our nation. I'm asking John Boehner to use our military power to quell the uprising that is currently threatening the government of Hosni Mubarak
Ummmmmm...WHAT?

Also, the "Black Panther" quote from Michael Savage may well be one of THE stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say. Yes, Savage, naturally that's what Obama meant with that . My god.

And please, PLEASE, let's not start dragging Biblical apocalypse crap into this. Maybe Joseph Farah's in the mood for a holy war, but I'm kinda not.

That is truly frightening and horribly sad, that link. I'm glad they're bringing attention to the nutjob viewpoints, but looking at those quotes/clips, good lord.

Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post
Truly, the Americans who watch this show and think that it has journalistic rigour and believe it are beyond hope. Hopeless. Unreachable. Total lost causes. Their brains have atrophied.
I saw a clip the other night from his show where he was saying that the only other democracy that's sprung up from an uprising of this sort has been in Iraq, and that he couldn't think of any other instance in history where that's happened.

Yeah. Not kidding.

I just love how everyone's freaking out over the thought of extremists taking over there, and how therefore this apparent threat naturally signals the U.S. needs to go in and set up/support Egypt's government again when Mubarak finally leaves. 'Cause, you know, the last time we did that, it worked out so well, as we can obviously see.

Angela
__________________
Moonlit_Angel is offline  
Old 02-05-2011, 10:04 PM   #354
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
the iron horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,251
Local Time: 02:48 PM
So what is the most trusted news source in the world?


Please post the link.

Comments welcome.
__________________
the iron horse is offline  
Old 02-05-2011, 10:53 PM   #355
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,493
Local Time: 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the iron horse View Post
So what is the most trusted news source in the world?


probably the BBC.

though i personally think NPR offers a more complex, nuanced view on issues, they can't match the global reach of the Beeb.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 02-06-2011, 01:08 AM   #356
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Canadiens1131's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,363
Local Time: 03:48 PM
I think the BBC World Service is probably the *hard" news source I trust the most.

You know it's fairly apolitical and newsy when you fall asleep after half an hour of listening before bed.

As for NPR I don't know why they get the bashing they do from the right, and the conservative general public. I usually find their coverage to be more "in depth" than "biased". If being able to examine nuance, and peel away the layers of an issue in an intelligent cross-examination is the hallmark of being a liberal, than I guess they are a bunch of fucking pinkos then.

MSNBC
Fox News
(sometimes) CNN
= I feel like I am getting an editorial opinion about how I should feel about an issue.

BBC News
NPR
= I feel like I get to make up my own opinion on an issue.
__________________
Canadiens1131 is offline  
Old 02-06-2011, 08:42 AM   #357
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London/Sydney
Posts: 6,608
Local Time: 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the iron horse View Post
So what is the most trusted news source in the world?
In the world? BBC, easily. No competition really. The International version of CNN is certainly much, much better than the US domestic version, but still have nothing on the BBC. Those are the only two that really have strong reach beyond local/regional. Fox broadcasts anywhere Murdoch has a decent presence - so, extensively - but they're not a global network, purely US domestic, and are regarded as a complete joke outside the US. And throughout the Bush years, were a pretty bad advertisement for the US, actually. BBC has the insane reach, unmatched experience, and stellar content still presented the way news channels should.
__________________
Earnie Shavers is offline  
Old 02-06-2011, 09:12 PM   #358
has a
 
kramwest1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Not a toliet wall
Posts: 6,939
Local Time: 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers View Post
In the world? BBC, easily. No competition really. The International version of CNN is certainly much, much better than the US domestic version, but still have nothing on the BBC. Those are the only two that really have strong reach beyond local/regional. Fox broadcasts anywhere Murdoch has a decent presence - so, extensively - but they're not a global network, purely US domestic, and are regarded as a complete joke outside the US. And throughout the Bush years, were a pretty bad advertisement for the US, actually. BBC has the insane reach, unmatched experience, and stellar content still presented the way news channels should.
I love that our local NPR station broadcasts the BBC from 11pm to 5am; the best of both worlds.
__________________
Bread & Circuses
kramwest1 is offline  
Old 02-08-2011, 01:19 PM   #359
Self-righteous bullshitter
 
BoMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise
Posts: 16,665
Local Time: 03:48 PM
Bill O'Reilly Teaches Kids About Science - Funny Videos | Cracked.com
__________________

BoMac is offline  
Old 02-08-2011, 06:14 PM   #360
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 19,270
Local Time: 01:48 PM
Heh, heh, I saw clips of this being discussed on TV last week.

Wow. Seriously. That is just pitifully sad, that is. I was literally speechless after I saw that. And he graduated from college, did he?

Angela
__________________

__________________
Moonlit_Angel is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com