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Old 12-20-2010, 04:51 PM   #226
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I'm not sure what "is liberal" means. Its listeners are predominately liberal and that dictates their style, but I think NPR is a news organization like any other in that it employs liberals, conservatives, and moderates. But does it actively pursue an agenda the way Fox and MSNBC do? No. Like most of the major networks, they may be populated by mostly liberals, but they still abide by basic standards of objectivity.

The whole liberal media bias thing that energized the right wing in the 80s and 90s was mostly just propaganda. It was brilliant, too. If they could convince you that you weren't hearing the truth from news, schools, etc., they could convince you of anything: that the New Deal prolonged the Depression, that Hitler was a leftist, that Kennedy would be a Republican today, that native americans didn't really help the pilgrims...it goes on and on....

this is fair. i would agree that the NPR audience tends to be more liberal.

and, yes, discrediting reality was a brilliant strategy.
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1. Has Keith Oberman ever had anyone on his program that opposed his point of view? No. But if you think I'm wrong, please show me.

2. Has Bill O'Reilly ever had anyone on his program that opposed his point of view? Yes. Multiple times a week.

Just based on these facts, which network, MSNBC or FOX, do you think is more biased?
This is an awful line of thinking on so many levels.

1. I think nothing of Keith Olbermann. The man's intelligent, but he just wants to get attention, so he does asinine things all the time that make him deplorable.

2. Bill O'Reilly's guests are almost always people he knows can't argue a convincing point. The few times he's brought smart people on, they school him (see: Jon Stewart).

3. I see them as two sides of the same coin: smart guys who just make asses of themselves to make cheap political points and get attention.

4. Why do I have to base my entire opinion of the networks on a one-on-one comparison of just two guys?

5. Glenn Beck has no comparison anywhere. Every statement that comes out of his mouth is some mixture of fear-driven paranoia, lies, exaggeration, hysteria, stupidity, arrogance, and fraud.

6. The big difference between Fox and MSNBC is their news presentation, as Irvine has stated. Not the commentary, which, aside from Beck, cancels each other. Fox has been exposed over and over again slanting their news programs.
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2. Bill O'Reilly's guests are almost always people he knows can't argue a convincing point. The few times he's brought smart people on, they school him (see: Jon Stewart).
...or, more often, he edits it out.
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Oh agreed they've got their own biases, but as far as a worldwide overview, it's where ai like to read my news, hell viewing US news through that lens is much more stomachable than even the most inoffensive of US sources.
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does MSNBC donate as much as Fox?

News Corp. defends $1 million donation to Republican Governors Association
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Fox News takes heat for News Corporation’s GOP donation – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Data collected by CQ Moneyline shows that News Corporation, through its political action committee, has contributed over $105,500 to Democratic candidates in the 2010 election cycle, while donating $74,700 to Republicans during the same time period. News Corporation's PAC has also donated $7,500 to Democratic-affiliated leadership PACs and $14,500 to GOP-related PACs. News Corporation, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has also given a total of $45,000 to other Democratic and Republican committees.

On the Democratic side, that includes $30,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and $15,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. As for Republicans, News Corporation donated $30,000 to the National Republican Congressional Committee and $15,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

A corporation's PAC is subject to a maximum spending limit of $5,000 per candidate per year and $15,000 per political party per year.

News Corporation is not alone among media corporations who donated to political parties and candidates, ultimately raising the issue of whether media companies and politics should mix.

"This is one piece of the puzzle that the public should consider when they are viewing coverage of politics," said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics.

General Electric, which owns NBC, has also made substantial political contributions in the 2010 election cycle. For example, GE donated $688,900 to Democrats through its PAC this election cycle compared to $410,100 to Republicans. The company has also given $75,500 to Democratic-affiliated leadership PACs and $74,500 to Republican-affiliated leadership PACs.

Meanwhile, GE has donated $237,000 to the Democratic Governors Association and $205,000 to the Republican Governors Association.

The PAC of Time Warner, the parent company of CNN has given $70,500 to Democratic candidates in the 2010 election cycle compared with $41,500 to Republicans. Time Warner also donated $5,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

The political action committee for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, has contributed $108,700 to Democratic candidates this election cycle and $64,000 to Republicans, according to CQ Moneyline. The PAC has also contributed $22,000 to Democratic-affiliated leadership PACs and $21,500 Republican-affiliated leadership PACs. Viacom also donated $4,000 to the Pennsylvania Democratic Party last April.

And Disney, the parent company of ABC, has given $110,500 to Democratic candidates and $95,000 to Republicans through its PAC. It has also donated $16,000 to Democratic-affiliated leadership PACs and $20,000 to Republican-affiliated committees. Disney has also given $11,000 to Democratic Party PACs and $20,000 to Republican Party PACs.


Can't we just accept that everyone does it?

Any network that would hire and promote as their biggest stars Olbermann, Maddow, Matthews, Schultz and O'Donnell must assume that the general public might believe such progressive cheerleading would permeate into all other hours of the day at MSNBC. The fact that that same quintet of whackjobs has "anchored" (using loosely) election coverage- the single most important day for a news operation- on multiple occasions only reinforces those assumptions. It's a business move by them, and it's terribly stupid.
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Any network that would hire and promote as their biggest stars Olbermann, Maddow, Matthews, Schultz and O'Donnell must assume that the general public might believe such progressive cheerleading would permeate into all other hours of the day at MSNBC. The fact that that same quintet of whackjobs has "anchored" (using loosely) election coverage- the single most important day for a news operation- on multiple occasions only reinforces those assumptions. It's a business move by them, and it's terribly stupid.
So is it only a "terribly stupid" business move for MSNBC?

Please explain...
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I guess this IS real and not Photoshopped. Don't know what "Fox Nation" is as opposed to foxnews.com.

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Can't we just accept that everyone does it?
just because corporations do it doesn't make it right. would you like to see "2012 democratic primaries, brought to you by disney!"? or what have you? while i understand campaigning and such costs money, and these days you need a lot of money if you want to get elected (be it for president or congress or whatever), but effectively seeing these corporations giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to BOTH sides of the party line doesn't seem right to me.

i know there will always be corruption in politics (again, on both sides, i'm not pointing fingers at either side or even any company in particular) but blatant disregard for the laws put in place to prevent companies being able to buy politicians (and yes, i'm aware it still happens, doesn't mean i like it) are there for a reason.
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I guess this IS real and not Photoshopped. Don't know what "Fox Nation" is as opposed to foxnews.com.
according to wikipedia it's fox news' site. i don't see why they don't just call it fox news, but i'm not their target demographic anyway.

ftr it appears to be legit, here's the article: http://nation.foxnews.com/dont-ask/2...st-shower-gays
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I guess this IS real and not Photoshopped. Don't know what "Fox Nation" is as opposed to foxnews.com.

I'm glad we have Faux to tell us the truth and get to the heart of the issue.

Thank you and your bigoted audience owes you, for they've been unaware that this has been happening for over 200 years.
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i did have a chuckle reading the article and looking at the end where it encourages people to share it over the various internet mediums, and shows people tweeting about it. all/almost all were people talking of its ridiculousness. i guess as long as people read it.
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Asked whether such donations raise questions about other networks' coverage, Daschle said: "The Fox contribution is in a completely different league. Other media firms' donations are generally small and about equal to the many committees that receive money." His group spent Tuesday trying to drum up interest in the issue, unsuccessfully pitching a dozen Fox producers and hosts to get Daschle booked on the channel.

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i shower with straight guys all the time.
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i shower with straight guys all the time.
and i bet you spend the whole time thinking about having sex with them.
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