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Old 12-20-2010, 11:31 AM   #211
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Were talking about MSNBC and FOX. Two of the most watched shows on either channel or O'Reilly and Oberman. Its obviously clear who is MORE biased!
It's obvious? Just because one has guests and one doesn't? Not when one shouts down the opposing voice.

Now, let's go back to discussing the bias of the NEWS.



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Bias can easily be seen by watching what is reported and what is not reported, what comments and opinions are heard, what comments and opinions do not get heard.
Like I said, I bet you would have a very hard time showing this.
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I have a question: what's the deal with their Red Eye programming on there late at night? I've seen bits of it when flipping through the channels, and wow, it's annoying.

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Ha! I watched that show a lot when it first came on. I'm surprised to hear it's still on! Red Eye was actually Fox's attempt to gain a younger audience. Fox kills everyone in the ratings, but if you break down the demo, the bulk of their audience is older and less affluent. And that hurts them in what they can charge for advertising. CNN's ratings, for example, are pathetic compared to Fox, but their revenues are similar because CNN can charge more per minute.

So Fox has been trying to reach a younger audience for years. Remember the Half-Hour News Hour? That was modeled after the Daily Show and it debuted around the same time as Red-Eye. Both were attempts to engage young people into seeing the "silliness" of liberal thought. But it was all wrong. There was nothing clever or witty about it. It was just stupid. And mean. They followed Rush Limbaugh's style of humor.

While Jon Stewart uses an amplified false humility as his delivery style, which appeals to young people, Limbaugh uses an amplified false hubris, which clearly doesn't (unless of course it's a persona, like Colbert). Limbaugh's mean-spirited and witless style of humor appeals only to the old and the bigoted.

Truly, if there's one thing that conservatives don't do well...(well, I guess other than art, music, film, literature)...it's comedy.

There's radio, I guess. They do radio well. And that's one thing liberals don't do very well at all.
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It's obvious? Just because one has guests and one doesn't? Not when one shouts down the opposing voice.

Now, let's go back to discussing the bias of the NEWS.

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I guess you don't watch Keith. Keith has guest every night. But only guest that will agree with him and tow his line. Say what you will about O'Reilly, you do get to hear and opposing view point. With Keith, you get nothing but his view and guest supporting his view! Thats an enormous difference. Were talking FOX and MSNBC, and these are the two shows on each that the public watches the most.

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Like I said, I bet you would have a very hard time showing this
Its actually pretty easy. Simply list what NPR mentioned and then show what they did not mention on any given topic.
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Its actually pretty easy. Simply list what NPR mentioned and then show what they did not mention on any given topic.

go for it! it's easy, so we're waiting.
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I guess you don't watch Keith. Keith has guest every night. But only guest that will agree with him and tow his line. Say what you will about O'Reilly, you do get to hear and opposing view point. With Keith, you get nothing but his view and guest supporting his view! Thats an enormous difference.
This is true, but it doesn't prove or disprove any measure of bias. The fight is part of O'Reilly's brand. It's part of Fox's brand. Conservatives love a good fight. Liberals don't. Ever hear screaming on NPR?

It's two different audiences. Each requires a different style. Think about it. Liberals hear someone say "bring it on" and it makes them cringe. Conservatives hear someone say "bring it on" and it sends tingles through their truck nuts.
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I guess you don't watch Keith. Keith has guest every night. But only guest that will agree with him and tow his line. Say what you will about O'Reilly, you do get to hear and opposing view point. With Keith, you get nothing but his view and guest supporting his view! Thats an enormous difference.
You're right I don't watch Keith, only seen him a few times.

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Were talking FOX and MSNBC, and these are the two shows on each that the public watches the most.
But most watched show does not = network. I think you're just trying too hard to avoid the discussion of biased news and biased networks.

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Its actually pretty easy. Simply list what NPR mentioned and then show what they did not mention on any given topic.
Well you made the claim that they're "drenched" so the burden of proof is upon you, that's how civilized debate works.
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. Liberals don't. Ever hear screaming on NPR?
So you think NPR is liberal?
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You're right I don't watch Keith, only seen him a few times.


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I watch keith almost every night.
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I watch keith almost every night.
Never liked him...
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I watch keith almost every night.
Why? I can barely stand his hyperbolic moral outrage in 30 second increments...
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so how are NPR and PBS dripping with bias and really just the same as Fox News?
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so how are NPR and PBS dripping with bias and really just the same as Fox News?
It's all about what they don't report. They don't report that Obama is from Kenya, they don't report on how Watergate shouldn't have been exposed, and have they ever reported on how any scientist that believes in climate change is a socialist puppet?

They are the liberal media.
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So you think NPR is liberal?
I'm not sure what "is liberal" means. Its listeners are predominately liberal and that dictates their style, but I think NPR is a news organization like any other in that it employs liberals, conservatives, and moderates. But does it actively pursue an agenda the way Fox and MSNBC do? No. Like most of the major networks, they may be populated by mostly liberals, but they still abide by basic standards of objectivity.

The whole liberal media bias thing that energized the right wing in the 80s and 90s was mostly just propaganda. It was brilliant, too. If they could convince you that you weren't hearing the truth from news, schools, etc., they could convince you of anything: that the New Deal prolonged the Depression, that Hitler was a leftist, that Kennedy would be a Republican today, that native americans didn't really help the pilgrims...it goes on and on....
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I guess you don't watch Keith. Keith has guest every night. But only guest that will agree with him and tow his line. Say what you will about O'Reilly, you do get to hear and opposing view point. With Keith, you get nothing but his view and guest supporting his view! Thats an enormous difference. Were talking FOX and MSNBC, and these are the two shows on each that the public watches the most.
O'Reilly is a giant ass hat, but has thankfully mellowed out recently as Fox's daytime anchors and editorial style have become more and more bizarre over the years.

At the end of the day, Bill and Keith are both blowhard commentators, and trying to develop some kind of'metric as to who is more 'fair' is a useless thing to even try and do.
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