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Old 01-02-2007, 05:14 PM   #1
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the McCain Doctrine

very, very smart politcs on the part of Edwards, and a perfect way to frame the upcoming surge as a political liability for the current Republican front-runner:

[q]Edwards terms Iraq surge "McCain doctrine"
By Jim Wolf Sun Dec 31, 2:06 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards, targeting a potential Republican rival in 2008, dubbed plans for a short-term U.S. troop increase in Iraq "the McCain doctrine," in an interview aired on Sunday.

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona, considered likely to be a Republican candidate for president, has been "the most prominent spokesperson for this for some time," Edwards said in an early salvo of the 2008 campaign.

Edwards, a former senator who was the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004, made his remarks in an interview on the ABC News program "This Week."

"I actually, myself, believe that this idea of surging troops, escalating the war -- what Senator McCain has been talking about -- what I would call now the McCain doctrine ... (is) dead wrong," said Edwards.

The former senator from North Carolina launched his run for the White House on Thursday with a call to withdraw 40,000 to 50,000 troops from Iraq, about one-third of the current force, to spur Iraqis to quell their own mounting communal violence.[/q]
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I mentioned this in the "Hot Stove" thread. Smart move by Edwards, already targeting the presumed GOP competition.
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McCain has earned it

he is almost more pro escalation than W
he has even talked about Iraq in relationship to VietNam


Now if this surge works
or is deemed to have been successful
it will be McCain's victory also.
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I mentioned this in the "Hot Stove" thread. Smart move by Edwards, already targeting the presumed GOP competition.


eep, sorry.

am way, way, way behind on my FYM these days.

you might start seeing more of me in ... March?



work be CRAZY these days.
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Well I look forward to March then

As long as you're enjoying the craziness that's all that matters
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Regardless of how and if a troop surge is authorized, Edwards would have little chance against McCain.

A lot of the feeling that Edwards is a pretty boy ambulance chaser will carry through to the 2008 nomination race, I believe. As long as JM doesn't do anything too stupid and plays his cards carefully, he'll be hard to beat.
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Honestly if McCain gets the nom, the only reason I see him losing (if he doesn't royally screw up) is because people are sick of Republicans in the White House...and that could take the Democratic nominee far. We'll see.
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Actually, I've always been inclined to support the "McCain Doctrine."

It's not a popular viewpoint, and I don't think it will happen, but I've always believed it's what SHOULD happen.

People want an easy fix.

Guess what?

There isn't one. (Well, there is for us as a nation, but it won't be so easy for Iraq, once we having barged into their country and screwed it up, slink away, and leave them with the mess, which is what is likely to happen).
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More troops are more targets; indigenous forces should be augmented.
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Actually, the "McCain Doctrine" sounds an awful lot like Nixon's approach to Vietnam. We can see how that turned out.
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Smart move by Edwards. McCain can't win with the "McCain doctrine". It's way too unpopular.
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More troops are more targets; indigenous forces should be augmented.


"redeploy" to Kurdistan?
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Edwards and Co. were at the Carolina game tonight...

I'm Tarheel born and I'm Tarheel bred
When I die I'll be Tarheel dead!
Rah rah, Carolina-lina, Rah rah, Carolina-lina, Rah rah, Carolina-lina, rah rah rah!
(Very first song I ever learned. No joke)

Aaaaaanyway, continue
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Actually, I've always been inclined to support the "McCain Doctrine."

It's not a popular viewpoint, and I don't think it will happen, but I've always believed it's what SHOULD happen.

People want an easy fix.

Guess what?

There isn't one. (Well, there is for us as a nation, but it won't be so easy for Iraq, once we having barged into their country and screwed it up, slink away, and leave them with the mess, which is what is likely to happen).
my prediction is that Bush will announce 25-30 thousand more troops
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The only thing a troop increase will do is provide for the chance of a couple of victories and a positive spin on the dying days of the Iraqi War before US forces withdraw. The second they're out of there, the Iraqi government troops and police are going to get raped, though.

It's like the band continuing to play on the Titanic while the ship sinks.
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