The Irony of the Hollywood Liberal Left Protesters..(buckle up-explosive topic)

[pub crawler]

95 per cent of Hollywood=Left.

In word, yes, but not necessarily in deed.

The Hollywood community is contradictory that way. Here's my take on Hollywood: The Hollywood community promotes liberal causes, hold fundraisers for said causes, largely votes Democrat and holds fundraisers for Democrats. Yet, this same community is filled with producers and writers who have sexist, racist and homophobic tendencies. Actually there's probably more sexism in Hollywood than you'll find just about anywhere else.

 

[Angela Harlem]

Argh, I dont know why I couldn't get this the first time. Maybe I shouldn't be here at 3.30am. I'll come back to this one.
Thanks for the clarification Diamond.

 

[meegannie]

The Hollywood community is contradictory that way. Here's my take on Hollywood: The Hollywood community promotes liberal causes, hold fundraisers for said causes, largely votes Democrat and holds fundraisers for Democrats. Yet, this same community is filled with producers and writers who have sexist, racist and homophobic tendencies. Actually there's probably more sexism in Hollywood than you'll find just about anywhere else.

(and to what Melon said about movies, but I'm too lazy to cut and paste )

 

[Kristie]

Protestors aren't out there to make Osama, Saddam etc LIKE them. It's not about getting the other side to like you, it's about getting Bush to not go to war, be you from Hollywood or Indiana.

 

[melon]

Melon is both right and wrong in his post.
The film industry runs the gamut of different idealogies.

What is perveted is-
-their payments as entertainers,
-the clout we give them as "all-knowing-gurus"
-worshipping them as idols..

That's market forces, diamond. I would think that you wouldn't challenge the awesome power of capitalism for something as socialist as salary caps.

the "liberal-hegemony" is not necessarily the message of the movies, but the mindset of the PEOPLE that make, act and produce them.

The people who make them are the movie studios, and the only "liberal" films you get are possibly independent films. Commercial films, with all their sex and violence, are all generally conservative in message.

We then have clueless drones that march in in protest because..Madonna said so!

And we have clueless drones putting duct tape and plastic on their doors because Tom Ridge said so. It is no different than the "duck-and-cover" tactic to "protect" yourself from a nuclear attack.

Melon

 

[Salome]

I am not going to kid myself
I don't know 50% of what Sadam is up to
and I don't know 50% of what the US is doing to take out Sadam

I am not going to protest something I know near to nothing about
and I'm pretty sure I'm better informed than most Hollywood stars

I agree with Diamond that it's at least ironic that Hollywood actors (who indeed in many ways represent what the likes of Osama despise about western society) feel the need to speak out on this subject

 

[pub crawler]

The people who make [movies] are the movie studios, and the only "liberal" films you get are possibly independent films. Commercial films, with all their sex and violence, are all generally conservative in message.

Absolutely.

We then have clueless drones that march in in protest because..Madonna said so!

And we have clueless drones putting duct tape and plastic on their doors because Tom Ridge said so. It is no different than the "duck-and-cover" tactic to "protect" yourself from a nuclear attack.

Melon

Heheh.

 

[theSoulfulMofo]

South Park is pretty conservative IMO.

 

[pub crawler]

the fanatics hate self indulgence.
the fanatics attack us because of self indulgence.

I know that's the popular theory being tossed about, and I believe it was the "official" explanation put forth by the Bush administration just after 9-11, but I've got what I think is a more plausible explanation, diamond. I'll share my views with you over a beer in Vegas.

 

[Scarletwine]

I agree with Diamond that it's at least ironic that Hollywood actors (who indeed in many ways represent what the likes of Osama despise about western society) feel the need to speak out on this subject

Because they are also US citizens and have every right that I or any other citizen has and that is the right to peacefully protest. The difference is the media at the protest migrate to the celebrities. They are using their "celebrity" to highlight a movement or whatever in the same way Bono does for DATA

 

[melon]

South Park is pretty conservative IMO.

I don't know about this show, honestly. On the surface, yes, it is quite conservative. However, if you look at the context that the conservative values are brought across, it is often as laughable as a bad 1980s sitcom. I really give this show kudos for very good writing, though, for making me think this hard about an otherwise indecent cartoon...lol.

Melon

 

[Gickies Gageeze]

you know, im going to do a turn-around on this thread.

though i was never completely against diamond's views on this, i wasnt totally for them.

thinking about it, ive realized that the more spoiled one person or a collective group (ie hollywood) becomes, the more likely they are to rebel or "bite" the hand that feeds them. hollywood should not be looked at for anything other than for sheer entertainment value.

taking their message to heart would be ludicrous.

 

[Kieran McConville]

I still don't really get the point of this thread unless someone has proof that people out on the streets recently were in fact all brainwashed sheep following say Madonna's orders. Or something.

Hollywood is like Bill Clinton - liberal in gesture, not in substance. That's fine, I never followed them anyway.

 

[The Wanderer]

brother diamond, i thought you might find this interesting

Grammy stars free to sing out on war

By GEORGE RUSH and ISAAC GUZMAN (Daily News Staff Writers)

Get ready for antiwar protests at tomorrow night's Grammy Awards ceremony.

Despite a report that CBS executives had considered blocking politically outspoken rockers, the network said last night it would not pull the plug on anyone protesting a war against Iraq.

The Drudge Report, an Internet news site, quoted an anonymous CBS chieftain as saying the network would cut the microphone of any rocker who engaged in antiwar rhetoric.

But CBS quickly moved to squelch the story.

"There will be no restrictions on artistic expression or opinions expressed during acceptance speeches," said CBS spokesman Chris Ender.

Musician Sheryl Crow, who made headlines when she wore a "War Is Not the Answer" T-shirt at the American Music Awards in January, plans to hand out 300 "No War" buttons tomorrow.

"If we can't turn to our artists, who can we look to?" Crow told the Daily News. "I think there will be artists stepping forward and making statements."

At Thursday's Brit Awards in London, Chris Martin of English band Coldplay said, "We are all going to die when George Bush has his way. But it's great to go out with a bang."

The Grammys will be handed out during a 3-1/2-hour telecast from Madison Square Garden.

 

[The Wanderer]

"If we can't turn to our artists, who can we look to?" ~ Sheryl Crow

it's amazing how seriously some of these people take themselves, please save the world for us Sheryl, after all, you've slept with God *hopes people get the obscure Eric Clapton reference*

 

[diamond]

"If we can't turn to our artists, who can we look to?" ~ Sheryl Crow

it's amazing how seriously some of these people take themselves, please save the world for us Sheryl, after all, you've slept with God *hopes people get the obscure Eric Clapton reference*

what wanderer
and
bear
said.

 

[diamond]

I am not going to kid myself


I agree with Diamond that it's at least ironic that Hollywood actors (who indeed in many ways represent what the likes of Osama despise about western society) feel the need to speak out on this subject

Im telling you Salome..

Osama and Saddam will eventually send these
self indulgent
self absorbed
marerialistic
unwitting clueless co-collaborators
special

"thank you cards" for their unknowing support of these maniac's prosperity..

DB9

 

[diamond]

. Commercial films, with all their sex and violence, are all generally conservative in message.



And we have clueless drones putting duct tape and plastic on their doors because Tom Ridge said so. It is no different than the "duck-and-cover" tactic to "protect" yourself from a nuclear attack.

Melon

Melon,
Can you not seperate the movies from the people in them that protest, who HAPPEN TO BE LIBERAL?

Saddam and Osama arent filled w hate because we make B-Rated movies.
They despise the people that star in them,
and the people that star in these movies are now blissfully enabling these maniacs. ..
I thought you were brighter than this Mr Melonhead

Diamond

 

[melon]

Melon,
Can you not seperate the movies from the people in them that protest, who HAPPEN TO BE LIBERAL?

Saddam and Osama arent filled w hate because we make B-Rated movies.
They despise the people that star in them,
and the people that star in these movies are now blissfully enabling these maniacs. ..
I thought you were brighter than this Mr Melonhead

Diamond

Oh please. You are looking to be "explosive." What is your point in this thread? I'm perfectly smart enough to know what you mean, and trust me: it isn't a secret expos?. Everyone knows that people in Hollywood are liberal, but guess what? Most artists are like that; it comes with the territory, and, if you don't like it, stop watching television or movies.

I'm allowed to give you a hard time, yes?

Melon

 

[pax]

...and, if you don't like it, stop watching television or movies.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[diamond]

My thoughts exactly.

melon and pax-
u are both being as rigid as the fundmentalists..

i like the actors/artists for their talent ..
sometimes their chatacter..
not for their-over the top- look at -me -im a crusader in the spotlight, arent i swell?

connect the dots children.

diamond

 

[Sicy]

Dont patronize the moderators.

 

[Gickies Gageeze]

i find it hilariously ironic that you describe two people as liberals and in the same breath - fundamentalists.

i guess theyre extremely liberal, yes?

 

[Kieran McConville]

Yeah but what was the original point again? Some Hollywood types are self-regarding liberals who like the limelight that attends making a bit of a PR crusade on, well, a liberal issue. Ok, on that I agree. Some are. But what about the millions upon millions who took to the streets last weekend? You know? Some of them must have turned up as a result of making up their own minds on the issue. Hollywood isn't even a blip on the radar with this one.

And my original comment stands. Maybe it does give some comfort to Saddam to see so many protesting a war. But people are entitled to protest a war if they think it's for the wrong reasons and that it will inflict more suffering than the alternative, or than can be tolerated. I mean, if anyone in a position of authority wants to imply that a chunk of their population are traitors (I'm alluding to the Australian context here but the principle remains), why not just have the guts to come out and say so? Then we can return the favour at the next election.

 

[Kieran McConville]

I suppose the real irony is that in a funny sort of way, both Saddam Hussein (maybe: who knows really?) and I detest Hollywood-style pop culture. So where does that leave me?

 

[meegannie]

*launces pre-emptive strike against Kieran McConville

 

[pub crawler]

I suppose the real irony is that in a funny sort of way, both Saddam Hussein (maybe: who knows really?) and I detest Hollywood-style pop culture. So where does that leave me?

un-Hollywood

 

[The Wanderer]

it leaves you constantly turning the stations looking for something decent to watch on tv... only to wind up back on the internet or something

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

You mean, like following GW without thinking?

South Park is pretty conservative IMO.

indeed. it's a lot like a typical full house-like sitcom once you take away all the shock value tactics. the kids get into a pickle, and they somehow get out of it, and learn a lesson at the end of the show and come out better people.

i challenge anyone to challenge my point, but the catch is you can't mention any of their shock value tactics. no "but they have a kid die in every episode!" or mention how raunchy their movie was.

i think it's a satire of typical sitcoms while also (maybe on purpose) still maintaining some typical sitcome-esque qualities you'd expect elsewhere. for example, their christmas specials. they feature singing and dancing. sure, in south park, you have adolf hitler singing "o tannenbaum," but still.

 

[hiphop]

In word, yes, but not necessarily in deed.

The Hollywood community is contradictory that way. Here's my take on Hollywood: The Hollywood community promotes liberal causes, hold fundraisers for said causes, largely votes Democrat and holds fundraisers for Democrats. Yet, this same community is filled with producers and writers who have sexist, racist and homophobic tendencies. Actually there's probably more sexism in Hollywood than you'll find just about anywhere else.

Dis is true.

Melon, why don?t you give me an answer? I want your opinion.