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Old 03-06-2003, 08:19 AM   #241
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I haven't seen a vote yet. You don't know if MOST members think so.
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Ive seen enough previous votes already.
It has been Saddams time to "act" not react to these votes.
..according to recent voting patterns, most say Saddam has been given plenty of time.
Should we wait yet again for another vote so we can repeat the pattern ?

Im sorry to say, this patttern is not working.


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We all know that "just waiting" won't help if you have a problem like Saddam. But there are other opertunities besides War and 10 years of ignoring the problem and doing nothing
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...10 years of ignoring the problem and doing nothing
thank goodness, GW is not doing these 2
its up to Saddam not to go to war.

The onus is on Saddam. ..not the USA.

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The hilarious part about all of this is



THE SAME PEOPLE that said we shouldn't occupy iraq the first time are now begging to invade it.


Bottom line...If George W invades..then it proves my original theory..the reagan Bush administrations were idiots when it came to iraq.

Bush Sr. Didn't occupy iraq because he didn't want to cause distrust among the arab world. What on earth made hime think it would get better in the future?



Also the administration needs to clarify why they are goign to war.



Is it...the iraq al qaeda link? if so...we should go to war with saudi as well...and in fact there has been no convincing link between iraq and al qaeda..Until the bush administartion pushed this and that bin laden tape came out

Is it to overthrow an opressive regime? ..in that case we should have had wars with china N korea Iran Iraq Cuba Burma etc etc

Is it to solve teh israel palestine situation?...honestly...just cos saddam pays off suicide bombers...isn't a big deal..get the palestinians to block such payments.


as bill maher said...Iraq hasnt' been this important since it was called mesopotamia



now...I'm willing to go to war with iraq if there is enough evidence. right now I feel there is enough evidence to warrant airstikes. but not a ground invasion and regime change. even if it's the day before we go to war a strong case must be made to the american ppl for this. That colin pwell speech to the UN was just a rehash of everything he'd said before I honestly think he should have just spliced together his other interviews and sent in the tape and save the american ppl his airfare from DC to NYC.


This administration is going in the right direction by putting pressure on iraq..but they have no focus and it's sloppy at best. I can't in good conscience support the administrations stand on an issue where THEY have no idea why they want to do it.


The most promising evidence thus far are those bombs that the iraqis turned over. Apprantly they didn't know how to destry them. Which makes me wonder how they destryed the other ones. But once again this administration seeems to not bring this up.
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diamond: I'm affraid Bush will bomb no matter what - he dosn't listen to anyone except dads friends and the founders of his election campaign.
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its up to Saddam not to go to war.

The onus is on Saddam. ..not the USA.

No its not. Not even Rumsfeld is trying this lie on us anymore.

The USA is going to war, not Iraq.

The only way Iraq can avoid war is to have Saddam step down. That is the Bush administration definition of disarmament, even though the UN definition is strikingly different.

Wait'll Blix speaks tomorrow.

Then Bush's 'case' for war will be completely null and void.

I sincerely hope the other nuclear powers on the Security council stand up to him and forcefully tell him to stand down or be stood down with troops and war plans of their own.

Thats what it will come down to, if they have an ounce of their own integrity and values.
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i'm really stupified (see look i spelled it right this time ) at all the support for the worst dictator since Stalin. What do you want to do, start another cold war, this time with Iraq? Fine... only difference is Saddam is willing, able, and HAS dealt with terrorists who are willing to use whatever means neccesary because they aren't fueled by politics, they're fueled by religion, as asinine as that may sound. These peolpe feel that it is God's will to destroy the Great Satan... the United States and it's allies. And screw Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is so fragmented right now, it's only a matter of time until UBL is captured. There are reports comming out today that he might have already been captured and that's what Bush's speach tonight is about, but that has been strongly denied by White House sources. Saddam and UBL may not see eye to eye, but it's not like UBL has control over every terrorist in the world. Saddam has openly dealt with Hamas, who has said that they would attack US targets after years of saying they wouldn't. He does deal with Palestinian suicide bombers. And if we just let him sit there, eventually he will kick out the inspectors... like he's done before... he will fully build his nuclear and biological programs... which he's already close to... and he WILL use them on his neighbors... which he's already shown he has no problem attacking. Do you honestly believe that the second Saddam has a viable nuke and a means of transporting it that he won't lob one at Israel? He's had rules to follow for TWELVE years now, and he has broken every single one. Oh whoopity doo... he's destroying a few missiles. These are missiles that just two weeks ago he said he never had! He is STILL lying. All he's doing is buying time, watching everyone bicker over what should be done, and laughing his ass off. So while the UN inspectors are going nuts destroying Al Samud's, Saddam's henchmen are busy hiding all the good stuff. So great... whoopie... let's give Saddam more time just because the guy who want to go after him allegedly stole the election from the Democrats, and because Paris, Berlin and Moscow have multi-billion dollar business deals with iraq that may not be honored in a new regime. So that's just great. Let's appease this man over money and idiotic partisan bullshit. Peace in our time... peace in our time.
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Dennis Miller: Bush “Makes Me Proud to
be an American Again”

Comedian/actor Dennis Miller is the opposite of comedian Bill Maher, the former host of ABC’s Politically Incorrect. While Maher rants about the evils of the U.S. and complains about how “depressing” it is that President Bush is “so popular when he has really done so little” to fight terrorism, Dennis Miller on Wednesday’s Tonight Show praised Bush’s anti-terrorism efforts, favored attacking Iraq and juxtaposed the “wocka-wocka porno guitar of the Clinton administration” with how Bush “makes me proud to be an American again. He’s just a decent guy.”

Miller offered Jay Leno an explanation for his apparent shift to the right over the past few years: “I began to go off liberal America when they insisted to me that Rudy Giuliani was a bad guy...they always like tinged on the Nazi reference. ‘He’s a storm-trooper! He’s a bad guy!’ Every time I’d go to New York it was cleaner and safer and I’d think, 'Wait a second how bad a guy can this guy be?’”

For Maher’s election night comments on CNN: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberal...20021106.asp#6

Last week when Larry King suggested to Maher that Americans “try to do good, don't we? I mean we're basically good,” Maher rejected the notion: “No. Not for the rest of the world.” Maher proceeded to charge: “Iraqis, I think, feel that if we drove smaller cars, maybe we wouldn't have to kill them for their oil because certainly the first Gulf War was about cheap gas.” More: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberal...20021104.asp#9

MRC analyst Geoffrey Dickens took down much of what Miller, who was a commentator on ABC’s Monday Night Football last season and who has had a weekly half-hour comedy show on HBO, observed using his wry wit on the November 6 Tonight Show on NBC:

Jay Leno: “I’m fascinated to hear your take on the election. Because you always have a little different look at things than most Hollywood people.”
Dennis Miller: “I want to congratulate my President. I think he had a great day. I think George Bush is a good man.”
[applause]
Leno: “Yeah? He did a fine job.”
Miller: “I think, I think he’s a good man and I think he’s done a fine job in these last two years. I don’t think he’s a great man but I would prefer that our President would be a good man because great men tend to believe they're great men and then they end up not being great men any more. I like Bush because he seems like a regular decent guy. And you know what? He’s a big picture guy. Which just shocks me. Because when he first came into the office I think many of us thought that he was the sort of guy who watched television one pixel at a time. But uh, shockingly he’s proven himself to be a big picture guy. I like his sense of humor. At least I hope it’s his sense of humor. I uh, sometimes think it’s Norm Crosby’s sense of humor. But uh, I think the thing I like most about him is that he’s not Clinton. I just think he’s a decent guy. I mean, you know...”
[applause]
Miller: “I’m telling ya when I watch those, the videotape of the retarded kids playing uh, tee-ball on the White House lawn, on the field that he built for them.
Leno: “Yeah.”
Miller: “And I juxtapose it with Clinton and the wocka-wocka porno guitar of the Clinton administration. I just like Bush, he makes me proud to be an American again. He’s just a decent guy.”
Leno: “He is a decent guy. But do you-”
Miller: “And you know what, what? Jay what, what are the Democrats really offering? You know I consider both sides in an election before I vote. I looked at what the Democrats are saying. They’re saying, 'Listen we want more of your money and we’re not really keen on preemptively protecting you from bad guys.' You know what folks? I don’t want the bad guys to have the next move. I don’t want to see two more big buildings blown up.”

Miller soon explained: “Listen, I began to go off liberal America when they insisted to me that Rudy Giuliani was a bad guy. You remember that years ago? How they told us Rudy Giuliani, they always like tinged on the Nazi reference.”
Leno: “Right, right, yeah right.”
Miller: “'He’s a storm-trooper! He’s a bad guy!’ Every time I’d go to New York it was cleaner and safer and I’d think, 'Wait a second how bad a guy can this guy be?’ And now you don’t hearing anybody saying that because it’s been proven out that Rudy Giuliani is a good man....”

After an ad break, he elaborated on Iraq: “It’s not a perfect world. Listen I think Bush’s old man could have ended this whole dilemma in the Middle East around 12 years ago. We were like two exits away on the Jersey Turnpike from croaking this toad and we back off because the coalition doesn’t want us to go up the road. Are you kidding me? The coalition? This better not happen again. You know Tony Blair is a cute kid and one of my favorite Martin Short characters in waiting, but the simple fact is we don’t consult the Brits on anything anymore. We haven’t listened to them since our boys dressed up like the Hakawi tribe and boosted all the Tetley tea in the Beantown Harbor around 200 years ago. I don’t want to ask the Brits what to do here. We gotta assassinate Saddam Hussein. Why have we taken assassination off the table as a viable political tool? And yet they’ll tell you the collateral damage of civilians is acceptable. But you’re not allowed to assassinate the main pain in the ass. My theory is if you have trouble with your conscience pretend you’re trying to kill the guy next to him and think of him as collateral damage, alright?! If that will allow you to get to bed at night.”
[applause]
Miller: “Listen. Negotiating with Saddam Hussein is about as practical as practicing aroma therapy on a French man. Okay? It’s not going to happen.”

Miller took on liberal wimpiness: “You know I find our approach to the, the war on terrorism to be amazingly non-chalant. I mean the simple fact is we are not being protective enough of ourselves. I think that was a mandate yesterday saying, 'Listen! We don’t want these morons trying to croak us!’ You know when the Al-Qaeda made a big mistake? Is when they whiffed that dog on videotape? That got the liberals into it. Because they’re all sitting at home with their Marmaduke day-planner saying, 'Wait a second? They croaked a puppy? Now it’s on mother-[bleeped]!”
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I want to again reiterate the purpose of this thread.
It was to point out a few things..-

1) the celeberties that really do not know the issues that do drive-by type comments that sort of jump on the "band-wagon" to "look good".

For the record, Bono is not one of these.



2) these "oppurtunistic type celeberties" usually lead lifestyles that infuriate maniacs like Saddam and fundamentalists like Osama.
Its a vicious cycle that the celeberies are oblivious to..

that's all for now folks...

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