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Old 10-13-2006, 09:04 PM   #1
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The Incident at Columbia University and The Minutemen

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Since when is shouting down a speaker and rushing the stage an expression of "free speech?"

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Act like adults. The minutemen serve to discourage illegal immigration. As the child of a legal Mexican immigrant, I see nothing racist about that stance. The irony of crying fascist chants as the Chicano Caucus forcefully censors the minutemens' speech was astonishing. That there may have not been any cognitive dissonance in the minds of the protestors suggests they may lack the intellectual credentials to be at Columbia in the first place. Rational debate involves the careful consideration of all aspects of an issue. I hope the Chicano Caucus will reevaluate its position to foster much needed intellectual diversity at Columbia.

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I hope this guy doesn't believe a word he is saying, because it definitley does not seem logical. By "drowning out" racist remarks in a non-public forum, you necessarilly suppress their right to freely speak--specifically since the event was organized with the presenter in mind.

I haven't been able to discover for sure, but it seems to me that Columbia did not have any speakers with dissenting views. Regardless of the administration's possible neglect to fairly represent an issue, these students seem to have acted in a manner resembling China's Cultural Revolution; violent censorship is but one small step away from oppression.
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Freedom of speech is not reserved for the polite.
I disagree with their actions but love the conviction......balls!
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I nearly commented and then I thought, what's the point.

The protests may have been intolerant but you're kidding yourself if you think the Minutemen are teddy-bears. A part of me wants to get the hell out on a flying space pod. Or just be glad I'm living in another country.
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But does it still warrant violent action? I think not.

When I have more time, I'll come back with some facts about the incident.

BTW, this should be merged with the other thread.
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I did not see the MinuteMen throw any punches and the African American member of the Minute Men said racials slurs were being yelled at him. So if the Minute Men is a racist organization then why allow members of all colors, religious back round, sexual backround in, when all there doing is trying to protect the country they love.
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I nearly commented and then I thought, what's the point.

The protests may have been intolerant but you're kidding yourself if you think the Minutemen are teddy-bears. A part of me wants to get the hell out on a flying space pod. Or just be glad I'm living in another country.
exactly my feelings so I'll just stay out of this one
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this should be merged with the other thread.
Which other thread?
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Which other thread?
The end of "should we" is where this started.
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Did any of you watch all the videos or just a few seconds and then make a judgement??
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Do you honestly think All Minute Men are Racist or that it's a Racist organization, or are you going with the crowd. Why should they be called racist when there doing the job the government should have done.
If a person breaks into someones house and the burglar is met with a gun to his face is that racist?? no because they are protecting there home. The reason some Minute Men Carry guns is to protect them selves from the Cartels or the small minority of hardened criminals who enter our country illegally.


If I did support the efforts of the minute men to curve illegal immigration whether it's the northern border or Florida, Our ports in CA or in the East Coast. Does that make me Racist?
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Here's a transcript of the TV interview:

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../10/11/1430231

Still looking for the close up video of the minuteman kicking a protestor in the head.
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Did any of you watch all the videos or just a few seconds and then make a judgement??
Did you? What did you see?
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I find it funny how they say the Minute men has ties to a neo-nazi group, which I need to see more proof on while the groups there in such as Answer and not in our name are supported by communist organizations.

I watched a few clips of two female protestors who were there and participated who said they gave a 45 minute speech............ Um they were not done and you were being disrepectful by yelling out loud not letting the person speak!!! But if it came to them They Demand attention.

I don't buy that the minute men are racist, it's just another cause to stop them from doing what congress and the presidents should have done in the first place after the first Amnesty given by Ronald Reagan.

Were loved because of open borders but hated and called racist when we want to close it down and have a better system allow people in. Tell that to other countries especially Europe.
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Did you? What did you see?
I watched the Videos. In the first video they had interviewed some protestors one was like look they cut my face. I didn't see any cut, they punched us etc... I did not see anything. I saw the security come on stage, the main speak turned and was trying to speak to a protester who was yelling in his face. And Supposedly the African American Minute Man (yes not all are Anglo-Saxon) was have racial slurs being yelled at in his face.

Oh and please watch the one titled Protester speaks out.


Arrogant prick.
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Do you honestly think All Minute Men are Racist
I think the group as a whole is misguided and it is made up of several racists.

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Why should they be called racist when there doing the job the government should have done.
The government stops illegal immigration by law, not by gun toting civilians.

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If a person breaks into someones house and the burglar is met with a gun to his face is that racist?? no because they are protecting there home. The reason some Minute Men Carry guns is to protect them selves from the Cartels or the small minority of hardened criminals who enter our country illegally.
Does this honestly justify anything in your mind? It doesn't me. If they shoot someone crossing the border they are nothing but murderers.

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If I did support the efforts of the minute men to curve illegal immigration whether it's the northern border or Florida, Our ports in CA or in the East Coast. Does that make me Racist?
I don't know your true intentions. You have said some very questionable things about immigrants and Mexican residents, and have been called out by many different posters. I think you honestly think it's a noble idea, I find it very misguided.
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