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Old 04-24-2006, 10:22 PM   #61
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:47 PM   #62
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I meant neo-conservatism...I don't hate people.
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^ Welcome to the cost of sacrifice, I guess....


nah.

welcome to the sadistic mind of Mel Gibson who made little more than a grotesquely bloody snuff film who's centerpiece (the scouring) isn't even mentioned in 3 of the 4 gospels. and, as i mentioned, you'd be dead or in a state of extreme shock and far, far too weak from bloodloss to even begin to think about carrying a cross. and where in the bible does it mention a crow pecking out the eyes of one of the criminals also being crucified that day?

the only explanation for the level of violence (that really has no historical basis) is easy cinematic emotional blackmail. Gibson needs his money shots.

it's a film that no child should see. i'd rather a 10 year old sit through "Saw" than "the Passion."

i suppose i was most disturbed by the fact that many people obviously felt there was something spiritually exalting about such extreme, gratuitious violence. in general, i found it to be a repulsive masochistic fantasy with a worldview fixed firmly in the 12th century.

i dunno. i always thought that crucifixion was a terrible way to die, but it was a rather commonplace practice. the point wasn't that that Jesus suffered more than any human being ever has on a physical level, but that his suffering was profound and voluntary.

but that's not gonna get you $300m in domestic box office.

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i cant watch that movie again. it was horrifying. i wont even allow my daughter to watch it.
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I never saw the movie. I'm way too high-strung for that kind of movie. Give me Peter Sellers or Ben Stiller.
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This is obviously a side track - but talk to a historian and a doctor regarding the practices of scourging and crucifixion, and my guess is that you will find the movie's depiction horrific, yet accurate.
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This is obviously a side track - but talk to a historian and a doctor regarding the practices of scourging and crucifixion, and my guess is that you will find the movie's depiction horrific, yet accurate.


and my understanding, based on doing some reading, is that the movie is inaccurate. only one of the four gospels mentions the scourging. yes, both were common practices, but one would essentially prevent the other from happening since you'd be dead after the scourging depicted in the film.

again: the crow picking out the eyes? the dislocating of his shoulder? the focus ONLY on blood at the sake of everything else? the devil children who chase Judas? the androgenous satan character? the snarling Jewish high priest caricatures with several shots of their hook noses?

i repeat the point: Jesus did not suffer more than anyone ever (as the film would have you believe). Jesus did suffer voluntarily.
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and my understanding, based on doing some reading, is that the movie is inaccurate. only one of the four gospels mentions the scourging.
And knowing the co-writer of the film, and the research he did, I am confident saying you're wrong.

But this isn't what this thread is about. So la la la...
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And knowing the co-writer of the film, and the research he did, I am confident saying you're wrong.

But this isn't what this thread is about. So la la la...


well, during the scourging scene Jesus is nearly flayed alive, back and front by whips embedded with shells, glass and nails. my understanding is that the Gospels (and i think only one of them, and it's more implied) state only that he was scourged, which is to say beaten, not flayed, and Jewish law at the time would have limited it to 39 lashings.

this is not to say it wasn't terrible. it is to say that Gibson is taking questionable dramatic license.

and knowing Gibson as a director, and his fascination with violence, and particularly the ending of Braveheart, it all makes much more sense.

and, still:

the dislocating of the shoulder?
the crow pecking out the criminal's eye?
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well, during the scourging scene Jesus is nearly flayed alive, back and front by whips embedded with shells, glass and nails. my understanding is that the Gospels (and i think only one of them, and it's more implied) state only that he was scourged, which is to say beaten, not flayed, and Jewish law at the time would have limited it to 39 lashings.

this is not to say it wasn't terrible. it is to say that Gibson is taking questionable dramatic license.

and knowing Gibson as a director, and his fascination with violence, and particularly the ending of Braveheart, it all makes much more sense.

and, still:

the dislocating of the shoulder?
the crow pecking out the criminal's eye?
The Jewish law of 39 lashing was set because they felt that a person could survive 39, but not 40. Of course, since the Romans are the culprits here, I'm not sure if they cared.

Mel Gibson didn't do his homework, though. Even the crack-pot scientists on all those History Channel, Discovery Channel, National Geographic channel shows about the crucifixion admit that a man could not walk as many miles as Gibson had Jesus walking with a cross. On the most recent Science of the Bible about the crucifixion, they actually have a guy try to carry a cross and he couldn't move it an inch. Then, they had him carry just a cross beam, and he could carry that less than a quarter-mile. The actor had not been victim of the cat of nine tales either.
Most scholars now believe that the cross actually was a T. In fact, the earliest artifact depicting Jesus being crucified shows him on a T instead of a t.

I hate Mel Gibson's work. His new movie looks like it's going to find blame within the Aztec community for their demise, not the Catholic missionaries who butchered the indigenous people. A really interesting book about that time is Broken Spears. It's a collection of writings from the indigenous people about the missionaries. The writings are all from after the invasion, so they couldn't write anything overtly negative about the Spaniards. What they did write is incredible though.
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