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Old 02-11-2007, 04:20 PM   #136
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Well that's certainly not my intent at all, like I said I understand his view even though I don't agree-and I respect it even though I don't agree. But as a female I do still feel that it is shaming to women, and I feel that Bono's Saint brought up some valid issues about male vs female sexuality. And maybe I am also viewing it from my personal perspective-my parents didn't use the words and they certainly didn't speak to me honestly and directly about sex and related issues. That is the sad fact. As I recall my mother just said something to the effect that if I had any questions blah blah.. Avoidance was the way they handled it. Somehow I developed my own personal views based upon my own moral views (which were influenced somewhat by them) and how I educated myself. In many ways I am who I am in spite of my parents, not because of them. But it doesn't always work that way.

It's the name of the play, it's not any sort of titillating and/or gratuitous display of the word vagina for senseless purposes. It just seems to me that having an issue with that is sort of the point of the play. I haven't seen it, maybe someone here has and can comment on that. No one has to attend the play, so ultimately why is it really any sort of important issue to have that word on a marquee? Kids will be exposed to harm on a much worse level just by watching the news, if you let them do that. Just in day to day contact in school, which a parent has no control over. It's the word for a body part, it's not a dirty or offensive word. If someone thinks it is, I just don't see them being able to have any sort of true communication about sex with their kids.
You said "as a female I do still feel that it is shaming to women". What would have been a more accurate statement would have been "as a female looking at the issue form a certain standpoint", because not all women agree with you. For instance, my best female friend thinks it's inappropriate. She has no "hangups" about female body parts. She has no "hangups" about sex.
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A uniter could use the one word that would piss of both sides of this spat.
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A uniter
Or an immature jerk.
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You said "as a female I do still feel that it is shaming to women". What would have been a more accurate statement would have been "as a female looking at the issue form a certain standpoint", because not all women agree with you. For instance, my best female friend thinks it's inappropriate. She has no "hangups" about female body parts. She has no "hangups" about sex.
Not to nitpick, but how can anyone say what is accurate about someone's perspective? Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes in here knows that Mrs S feels very strongly about women's rights and that she has a more than clear understanding of making inaccurate judgements. She feels it is shaming to women. There's no painting that as inaccurate. For starters, she can, is allowed, and secondly, it's not an inaccurate thing. It is her persepctive.

This thread is out of control with nitpicking. Which I am as guilty of, I know. I vote we leave the thread alone.
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This thread is out of control with nitpicking. Which I am as guilty of, I know. I vote we leave the thread alone.
I agree...
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yeah

What is the point.

Intentionally offending people is doing nothing for free speech.

A performance artist that would urinate on a bunch of open Bibles
would be doing nothing but trying to antagonize and offend people.


but, back on point
it seems the play-write had a solution for those communities
that prefer not having "Vagina Monologues" on the marquee

and that is "The 'V' Monologues".



anyways if this were titled "A Woman's Tale".

We could have some real problems

the title is a good screener

No one will wonder in by accident.

The play is provocative.

If the sign is too much for some
the production would probably upset them more
than any thing they have ever seen. (except maybe Janet Jackson's ample breast during the Superbowl)
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Intentionally offending people is doing nothing for free speech.

A performance artist that would urinate on a bunch of open Bibles
would be doing nothing but trying to antagonize and offend people.
I disagree very strongly, antagonising groups like the Catholic League with offensive speech not only ensures that free speech exists but reveals the anti-freedom bastardry of those groups.

The merits of the speech itself is irrelevant - be it hate preaching, flag burning, holocaust denial or pornography - they are all threatened with censorship and must be defended and in some cases flaunted (as with pornography and blasphemy).
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Not to nitpick, but how can anyone say what is accurate about someone's perspective?
Angela, I understand what you're saying, but my intention was not to say her perspective is inaccurate. I was trying to say that the way she phrased it was inaccurate - "as a woman", because not all women feel the same way she does.
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A uniter could use the one word that would piss of both sides of this spat.
Would that be the 'c' word, the 'n' word, or the 'f' word?

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Now I don't want to implicate myself in a thought crime by answering that question.
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So, that trend has continued under Bush.

Uh, no it HASN'T....the rate of abortions has climbed up again.
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Dazzling, I'm much older than a young to mid-teen -I'll be 40 in July- and I have no desire to change my long-held opinion that there are certain things that are not appropriate to be plastered on public billboards and marquees.

If that makes me priggish in your eyes, that's cool. Throw in a little "old fashioned" while you're at it, and that'll make me really proud.

First of all.......it's dazzled, NOT dazzling {NO Offense dazzlingAmy }.

I wasn't saying/assuming YOU were a teen, I was saying when I was a teen, that's how I felt back then.

Reaching 54 soon, I'm still glad i've manged to wrange my way out of alot of the type of thinking/beliefs I was taught back in that & related areas of which this hoohaa/vagina theater marquee dust-up is an indicative part of the restrictive continium that some folks would love to drag us women and & the men who genuinely get at least some of what this is about back "to the 1950's" or worse.....

Glad I live in NYC- where at least boundaries can be discussed, explored, and sometimes, loosened, stretched, or broken.


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And it's not just a difference between you and I; most people of my generation and previous will have different values and beliefs concerning this than more recent generations. Just as you don't understand why I would object on those grounds, I can't understand why you wouldn't.
Uh, sorry, but it's also who the people are are around you [while being raised ]& where you've been raised rtc, 80's.

I have friends my age, your age , and younger who would't agree with you either from the get go, or changed their minda along the way.
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Uh, sorry, but it's also who the people are are around you [while being raised ]& where you've been raised rtc, 80's.

I have friends my age, your age , and younger who would't agree with you either from the get go, or changed their minda along the way.
I actually think it's mainly a difference between social values.

I reckon most social conservatives would agree with me, and I reckon most social liberals would agree with you.
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Angela, I understand what you're saying, but my intention was not to say her perspective is inaccurate. I was trying to say that the way she phrased it was inaccurate - "as a woman", because not all women feel the same way she does.
Ah, I misunderstood. Apologies.
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