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Old 01-16-2004, 02:31 PM   #76
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The cure for AIDS has been around for over 20 years now.
What is the cure, please do tell us. I'd like to buy stocks from your company.

In the event you believe that having no premarital sex or not sharing needles is a cure, I would encourage you to look up the definition of 'cure'.

As for the rest of your posts - grim.
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The absurd notion of throwing billions of money to a problem that can be solved for free is killing thousands of Africans. Giving drugs to people in Africa that already have AIDS is allowing these AIDS-infected people to live longer. So, these AIDS-infected people are now living longer, which means they now have more years to give birth to more HIV children, have sex with more people, and share more drug needles... and thus the pyramid scheme has begun.
So you think that drugs that allow people with AIDS/HIV to remain healthy for longer are a bad thing? Perhaps you'd advocate doctors telling people with AIDS/HIV to just go away and die, stop wasting their time and money? I'm curious though, as to what your position would be with regard to drugs that don't specifically treat AIDS or HIV but treat the illnesses that result from AIDS. Would you suggest that a person should die from a treatable condition just because that condition is as a result of them having AIDS? Would you suggest that people are left to suffer from treatable conditions because they'll eventually die from AIDS? And I'm not even going to get into how disgusted I am at the way you reduce people's lives to just "having sex" and "sharing needles."

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Africa has been getting international funding for over 15 years now, and the more money Africa gets, the more AIDS-infected people Africa is getting. The money has had more than enough time to sink in, it's time to cut the money off. It's time to stop babying the Africans and treating them like little kids, and let them solve their own problem.
Over the last 20 years there's been an increase in funding for research into a cure for cancer. Over the last 20 years there's also been an increase in the number of cases of cancer. So is it true that throwing money at cancer is just leading to more cases of cancer?

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Cuba solved their own AIDS problem. Cuba is light years ahead of America when it comes to AIDS.
Are you a supporter of the Cuban government in general?
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The cure is free

Websters Dictionary defines the word 'cure'

cure : remedy, recovery from disease

Cuba has had the cure for AIDS for years now, that is why Cuba now has one of the lowest infection rates for AIDS in the world. Cuba has the remedy, Cuba has recovered from their high AIDS rates in 1983, Cuba has the CURE.

Too many people think that the cure is going to come in a needle or a pill, and that the cure is going to cost $ billions, these are the same people throwing $billions into Africa and then they seem perplexed when Bono is throwing out numbers such as upwards of 7000 people are dying a day from AIDS in Cuba.

The BBC is correct with their views of Cuba, the World Health Organization also has shown how money is making the problem worse.

People who think money is the solution to AIDS, these must be the same people who pass homeless people on the street and throw $5 dollar bills into their cardboard box. I guess if you think that buying alcohol for homeless people is a solution to homelessness, then you'll probably also think that money can also solve the AIDS problem. It's too bad that more people don't read the newspaper, NY TIMES, the BBC along with countless other news sources such as 60 MINUTES have shown the simple effort Cuba went to when they eliminated AIDS.
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Re: The cure is free

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Websters Dictionary defines the word 'cure'

cure : remedy, recovery from disease

Cuba has had the cure for AIDS for years now, that is why Cuba now has one of the lowest infection rates for AIDS in the world. Cuba has the remedy, Cuba has recovered from their high AIDS rates in 1983, Cuba has the CURE.
How do you get from the second sentence of your post describing a cure as "recovery from disease" to claiming that Cuba has the cure for AIDS? How many people in Cuba have recovered from AIDS?
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U2 LipstickBoy,

Wow just in one day you've made quite a stir, offensive and hateful comments about Middle-Easterners and AIDs victims just within a few hours. If you're looking to piss people off it worked.

First of all your definition of 'cure' is warped. I honestly hope that you or your significant other never has to deal with rape, or that your innocent child isn't born with a horrible disease, because if so the government will be knocking on your door to take them away from you and put them in some Leper camp.

What is this "free cure" you keep talking about, what is free in this world?

Do you realize that sex education isn't offered in most of Africa? This continent is a victim of being uneducated and lacking of resources. This is where part of the money goes. No one here said money will be the cure. A large percentage of AIDS victims in Africa are rape victims and innocent children. 3 out of 5 women of age 18 have already been raped in this country, but I'm sure we should blame them for that?!

Your correlation between money and AIDS is complete bullshit.

The rest of your comments I won't even bother with.
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Cuba has recovered, that is a cure

Cuba has recovered, they have the cure for AIDS, they've got the solution and it worked. No single person in Cuba that had AIDS has recovered, they all die like all other people die regardless if they have AIDS or not. Cuba viewed the people with AIDS as a sunk cost and Cuba did not spend one dollar on the people that already had AIDS. Cuba instead focused on the majority of people that do NOT have AIDS, and that was the recovery for Cuba's high infection rate was to keep the healthy people away from the AIDS infected people, and EUREKA - it worked.

While Cuba's rates of AIDS drastically went down over the past 20 years, Africa's rates have drastically gone up. Cuba now has one of the lowest rates in the world, and Africa's AIDS problem will continue to get worse until they adopt Cuba's cure.
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BonoVoxSupastar, you're right, money does solve AIDS. So, using your theory, America is the richest nation in the world, so America also has the lowest rates of AIDS infections in the world. But oops, that isn't the case, so your theory just fell apart, and using your favorite word, your theory is 'bullshit'.

Wake up BonoVoxSupastar, open a newspaper, stop thinking that America is the best nation in the world. Start reading some international newspapers, see what other countries are doing, see how other countries handle stuff. Teenage girls in America are the fastest group of people in America contracting AIDS, there are more AIDS cases in America now than ever.

People have to start opening newspapers and educating themselves, it's silly to see what some people are saying.
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Re: Cuba has recovered, that is a cure

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Cuba has recovered, they have the cure for AIDS, they've got the solution and it worked. No single person in Cuba that had AIDS has recovered, they all die like all other people die regardless if they have AIDS or not. Cuba viewed the people with AIDS as a sunk cost and Cuba did not spend one dollar on the people that already had AIDS. Cuba instead focused on the majority of people that do NOT have AIDS, and that was the recovery for Cuba's high infection rate was to keep the healthy people away from the AIDS infected people, and EUREKA - it worked.

While Cuba's rates of AIDS drastically went down over the past 20 years, Africa's rates have drastically gone up. Cuba now has one of the lowest rates in the world, and Africa's AIDS problem will continue to get worse until they adopt Cuba's cure.
Ignorance and hatred are highly contagious, especially from parent to child. Should these people be placed apart from society, ignored and left to die?
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BonoVoxSupastar, you're right, money does solve AIDS. So, using your theory, America is the richest nation in the world, so America also has the lowest rates of AIDS infections in the world. But oops, that isn't the case, so your theory just fell apart, and using your favorite word, your theory is 'bullshit'.

Wake up BonoVoxSupastar, open a newspaper, stop thinking that America is the best nation in the world. Start reading some international newspapers, see what other countries are doing, see how other countries handle stuff. Teenage girls in America are the fastest group of people in America contracting AIDS, there are more AIDS cases in America now than ever.

People have to start opening newspapers and educating themselves, it's silly to see what some people are saying.
First of all read my post. I agreed that money did not solve AIDS but it can help to prevent (with education and resources) and help those who live with it to have a more bearable life. So try again.

When did I even mention America?

And you're absolutely right some people do need education, for what they are saying is silly.
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You've just acknowledged that not a single person in Cuba has recovered from AIDS. You've also acknowledged that a cure means a "recovery from disease." Can you not connect these facts and come to the conclusion that there is no cure for AIDS, in Cuba or elsewhere? While we're on the subject, what is your opinion of the Cuban government in other matters? Are you a supporter of all their policies, or is your admiration limited to this one issue?

I can't even begin to explain how offensive your suggestion that people with AIDS ought to be isolated from other people is. It's clearly inspired by some belief on your part that if a perosn is affected by AIDS it must be their own fault, and therefore isolating them from everyone else is a fair "punishment." I wonder what you would say to the thousands of children who were born HIV+, the thousands of women who contracted HIV because they were raped, or indeed the millions of people whose only crime was to live in a country where education about HIV/AIDS is non-existant.
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Katey, BVS, Fizzing--

Bravo. I didn't even think someone who sounds like he wants to nominate Castro to Humantiarian Leader of the Year was worth responding to, but you all transcended my cynicism with insight, clarity, passion and, I'd imagine, not a little restraint.



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U2Lipstickboy,

Please acquaint yourself with the difference between prevention and cure. You are spouting medical nonsense here.
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BBC - Cuba leads the way in HIV fight

By Molly Bentley - BBC News Online

Few stories about HIV/Aids infection bring hope. But in the Caribbean, where communism takes its last gasp, there is encouragement in the fight against Aids.

"Cuba has a lid on the HIV/Aids problem," said Byron Barksdale, the director of the American Cuban Aids Project, a non-profit organisation that provides humanitarian aid to the island.

There is virtually no transmission of the virus through intravenous drug use, blood transfusion or to newborns at birth.

Cuba's low HIV infection rate is due largely to the country's extraordinary response in early years of the epidemic.


ALL OF THAT ABOVE COMES FROM THE BBC, say what you want about Cuba or Castro, but the BBC is a credible source. Castro has saved thousands of lives in Cuba, and so many children are alive today due to Castro making the correct decisions.

If you disagree with what's above, you're disagreeing with the BBC, the World Health Organization, CNN which has covered this story extensively, and you're disagreeing with FACT.

Tomorrow, another few thousand Africans will die of AIDS, while in Cuba tomorrow, you won't see anyone die of AIDS. Until the blacks in Africa change their ways, stop the drugs - sex - needles, and look at Cuba as being a pioneer, millions more of Africans will continue to die. Bono is good, but Bono and Beyonce dancing on a stage can't do much to change people's behavior.
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Cuba took PREVENTION in the 1980's. There is no longer a prevention, as there is no longer AIDS to prevent.

A full-scale prevention mandated by the Cuban government has leds to the elimination of AIDS in Cuba, hence, Cuba has cured the problem.

Cuba no longer has a prevention, because there is nothing to prevent. You won't see Bono and Beyonce dancing on a stage in Cuba, as there are now no problems with AIDS in Cuba.
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Cuba took PREVENTION in the 1980's. There is no longer a prevention, as there is no longer AIDS to prevent.

A full-scale prevention mandated by the Cuban government has leds to the elimination of AIDS in Cuba, hence, Cuba has cured the problem.

Cuba no longer has a prevention, because there is nothing to prevent. You won't see Bono and Beyonce dancing on a stage in Cuba, as there are now no problems with AIDS in Cuba.

Get your facts straight. There are currently approximately 3,500 people living with AIDS in Cuba right now.

They have controlled it from spreading in epidemic proportions but it hasn't been eliminated.
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